Panasonic (Canada) has gone insane!!

[oldfart13]

Check this out:

http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=188259

Now check out the Canadian MSRP from Panasonic (Canada):

http://www.panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/dvd/dmre80.asp

Hmmm...wonder where I'll be buying MY E80 or E100 from??

[lordsmurf]

Nobody charges MSRP.

[overloaded_ide]

MSRP is bull! ALWAYS.

I remember when I did flea markets for fun in the summers.
I'd buy $2 socket sets wholesale, sell em for $4 retail, and they had they manufactors cards in the case. MSRP $299 !!!
Damm, I could buy Snap-on for that price, not japan no-name

About only time MSP means anything is like when the canon I850 came out. MSRP was $200 and I had a heck of a time finding it for less for a short time. Then I got 2 of them for $150 each.

[oldfart13]

Since the net went over like a lead balloon in Canada, most people are still confined to buying from "brick 'n' mortar" stores. MSRP (or something close) is what you WILL pay from those places. I wish there truly was street pricing in Canada but even Pricewatch gave up long ago on this country. Yeah, lower prices...I can buy a E80 out of the USA, pay in Canadian $$ and end up after shipping and all taxes paying less than buying an E50 (with no HDD) out of Futureshop. So, what gives with that? I'd be paying almost as much as buying another USA unit for a 90 day warranty? Now THAT's BULL!!

[webeye]

So true.
Thats way many of us are buying from the US. With our improving dollar over 75c... buying US looks better all the time.
Pioneer for a time will stick close to MSLP...
List fo the 310 is $800......Future Shop $750.
For those that go this route..buy during Customer Apprec. that generally comes at the end of the month...save 10% or more depending on the product.
With E80 Panny around $500 Us with free shipping...hard to ignore.
A salesperson told me that he could sell alot ot this model..if they had it.
I see a few ads in some mags for the E100 but nothing for the E80.
Strange. Ihave yet to sale a CDN store price for the E100

[BJ_M]

Since the net went over like a lead balloon in Canada, most people are still confined to buying from "brick 'n' mortar" stores. MSRP (or something close) is what you WILL pay from those places. I wish there truly was street pricing in Canada but even Pricewatch gave up long ago on this country. Yeah, lower prices...I can buy a E80 out of the USA, pay in Canadian $$ and end up after shipping and all taxes paying less than buying an E50 (with no HDD) out of Futureshop. So, what gives with that? I'd be paying almost as much as buying another USA unit for a 90 day warranty? Now THAT's BULL!!

canada is something like 3 in the world for high speed internet and connected users accually .. i don't know where you live but in toronto and markam -- the prices (if you know where to go) are some of the cheapest you would find anywhere - canada or usa .. for most hardware anyway ..

[Yvon]

.. i don't know where you live but in toronto and markam -- the prices (if you know where to go) are some of the cheapest you would find anywhere - canada or usa .. for most hardware anyway ..[/quote]

It would be great if you gave us a few addresses.

Yvon

[oldfart13]

Yes, please find me some home electronics hardware (in this case the Panasonic E80 DVD recorder) at prices similar to say, Ecost in the USA (~$500USA). If on the other hand, you are talking computer hardware, that's quite a different animal altogether...

[oldfart13]

PS Yes, we are wired. No, we (Canada) are not buying over the net in any numbers. Perhaps I should have clarified that...

[Yvon]

[quote="BJ_M"]

i don't know where you live but in toronto and markam -- the prices (if you know where to go) are some of the cheapest you would find anywhere - canada or usa .. for most hardware anyway ..

It would be great if you gave us a few addresses.

Yvon

[oldfart13]

That quote is not from me...

[webeye]

Has anyone seen the E80 in Canada?...What stores?.
Strange that I have seen ads for the E100. They dont indicate any price..
perhaps they want to avoid sticker ..Shhhoooooocccccckkkkk.

[ROBERT BLACK]

Chinatowns in Toronto,and Markham have good prices on electronics. And SOME will even deal on prices if you bring them wepage printouts from E-tailers. I was surprised to see the LG -/+DVD burner selling for under $200.00 OEM.(College/Spadina area) I just love it how people wax all indignant about Canadian prices when they don't even bother looking. Canadians don't buy over the net in any great numbers because those of us in metropolitan areas(Toronto, especially) have access to everything from cheap DVD+-R media to hard to find cheap electronics. Without having to wait for the post to arrive. BTW,Canada has THE SECOND fastest growth rate for high speed internet access in the world.

[webeye]

Are we talkin 'STANDALONE RECORDERS' here?

[oldfart13]

I said an Panasonic E80. That's a standalone DVD recorder, NOT a computer DVD burner. I have one of those already. Since you can't come up with one of those in Canada at a price similar to the USA price, I then have to rest my case. Computer components I can buy at a little above wholesale since friends own computer stores and I can get cost + 10% pricing. Home electronics is what I want and for the most part, I get ripped off price-wise when buying in Canada. Where are those stores in Toronto/Markham that will sell me a Panasonic E80 standalone at under $1,000CAD? I'd buy one right now and have relatives ship it up to me...

[ROBERT BLACK]

I used the LG burner just as an example of PRICING. NOT Product. You'll have actually have to go do the leg work in Markham and Toronto yourself, and may have to NEGOTIATE the price based on e-tailer quotes. I received an in store quote similar to an online price for $3.40.00CAD for a DVD player which at the time(it's cheaper now) was selling for $300.00 U.S.(average price) That was at HD electronics in Markham. There's also Logic computer warehouse which sells electronics like DVD players and yes settop DVD recorders. There is also Bay/ Bloor Radio, various Chinatown electronics stores sell settop DVD recorders.

[webeye]

I have just ordered a Panny S35S DVD Player from the US...$80US....free ship + will send for a $20US rebate. I want it as a player for Ram.
This unit I believe would sell for incl. tax $200 CDN. ??
I will post my response re this site/store when I get it. If all goes well I will order the Panny E80 for $500 and give info re set-up for CDN.
Warranty is not transferable.

[BJ_M]

just a small point -- if you got free shipping to CND from usa .. someone is smoking crack but good deal .. because there will be duty and taxes and brokerage at the border ... panasonic USA (and sony and others) warrenty is not valid in CND (becuase of greymarket)


i found that model in canada for $149.00 CND in toronto .. it is a good player for the money .. last month there was a special on them for 59$ US plus a 20$ rebate at some stores .. to bad you didnt grab one then ..

[oldfart13]

I'm SURE the users of all those greymarket Dishnetwork and DSS satellite receivers are REALLY worried that they have no warranty in Canada


As to buying the Panasonic E80, here is the price from ecost using Borderfree shipping which is sent right to my door, instead of me running down to the border and picking it up (I would still incur no brokerage fees that way):

with 5 - 14 day shipping total is $830.28CAD

with 3 - 5 day shipping total is $912.16 CAD

Much as I would like to buy Canadian, even you must admit that the warranty alone would not be worth buying Canadian. I could buy 2 units from the USA over buying 1 in Canada and have them shipped directly to my door! This is where the original discussion comes from. Buying an E80 in Canada would be a rip-off!

[oldfart13]

Robert...the whole point of the net and the www these days IS the fact that it's no longer local. In Canada, it seems that retailers haven't realized that. I asked YOU a simple question, "Where can I get the Panasonic E80 in Toronto/Markham for $1,000CAD" and you couldn't answer that. Hey, I'll get a TO paper and check through the ads and see if anywhere will sell me one at that price. Somehow, I doubt it. The reason I use the www for ordering is that I'm nowhere near TO. I haven't been there in almost 5 years. It's NOT an option for me. The www IS these days though, so if these retailers deal that way, they could see lots more potential business...BUT, that seems to not be the case in Canada. Looks like I'll HAVE to continue to buy what I want from the USA and other countries...

[Gadget Geek]

There is a CDN place NBT Electronics which is both a Brick/Mortar place (Mississauga, Ont.) and has an online presence (that offers free CDN shipping on orders over $200)

That is selling the Panny DMR-E80 for $999(Canadian) currently on-sale.
Reg price $1,199.00

Web Address: www.nbtelectronics.com

The owner is very knowledgeable and helpful. Even helps people with questions/problems via the Forums on Digtal Home Canada - Panasonic forum. http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/

Regards
Gadget Geek

[oldfart13]

THANK YOU!! This is the kind of info that Robert should have provided but couldn't. With this MAYBE I can get a deal from in-town B'n'M stores. If not...it's Mississauga (where my relatives live)...

[ROBERT BLACK]

This Gadget Geek guy is probably from NBT electronics, as they seem to spam post all Canadian electronics discussions. They're usually very overpriced, on most electronics.

Where can I get the Panasonic E80 in Toronto/Markham for $1,000CAD" and you couldn't answer that.

I listed several electronics dealers, above, that carry DVD recorders. As I will now repeat, you'll have to do the leg work and call them yourself. I've given you the leads,(you're welcome) if you prefer to order from the U.S regardless, and get hit with tax and customs duty. Not to mention a void warranty, Be my guest. For electronics,(not media or say DVDs) It's too much of a hassle, in my opinion. Customs can charge you duties of up to 80%!!! on electronics.(call them to find out) Ridiculous. I'm not the one looking for the E-80, but if I were, I'd be cautious. $500.00U.S sounds good to me, too. Hey. they may not charge you that much in duties, but don't say you weren't warned. Those listed retailers just may have better pricing than NBT. I agree that some locals feign ignorance over online pricing. Great way to remedy that is show them the online quote. I found they usually drop they're price.

[oldfart13]

I listed several electronics dealers, above, that carry DVD recorders. As I will now repeat, you'll have to do the leg work and call them yourself.

If they have no online presence then I don't deal with them. That's why I use the WWW. I live 1,300Km away from the Mississauga area. Doing the leg work is (for me) way too much hassle and expense.

I've given you the leads,(you're welcome) if you prefer to order from the U.S regardless, and get hit with tax and customs duty. Not to mention a void warranty, Be my guest. For electronics,(not media or say DVDs) It's too much of a hassle, in my opinion. Customs can charge you duties of up to 80%!!! on electronics.(call them to find out) Ridiculous.

You got the wrong friends. I have mine at the Customs department look up the relevant info for me and then give me the dutiable rate. You could probably find out the same thing by calling Borderfree and finding out how they got an exemption from duties. Probably has to do with NAFTA. The only thing you pay from eCost is PST, GST and shipping. There is no duty when going through Borderfree (at least not on the E80)...


I'm not the one looking for the E-80, but if I were, I'd be cautious. $500.00U.S sounds good to me, too. Hey. they may not charge you that much in duties, but don't say you weren't warned. Those listed retailers just may have better pricing than NBT. I agree that some locals feign ignorance over online pricing. Great way to remedy that is show them the online quote. I found they usually drop they're price.

Well, I CAN try. Otherwise I have some leads. I checked the outfits that you suggested but they seem to be TO area only. No problem. I now have leads for places in Canada that DO want my money.

[BJ_M]

Borderfree ships from within canada i understand greymarket goods (i think sony went after them once) - so duty is already paid non the less ..

duty is not to much anymore and no duty on computer equipment for comercial shipments (priv. they seem to charge you at the border when you drive across - at least I always get stuck with it ) ...

[oldfart13]

I just talked with some people who use avsforum and they still bought from eCost and Borderfree because even though they live in Toronto, the price difference was too much and the area dealers balked at giving the US to Canada landed price. Nor would they say how much they were making in profit per unit (ie. what their cost was from Panasonic) though I'm sure I could find out stuff like that if I wanted to. At least this gives me something to do this week. I'd like to get a unit ASAP, but I've waited this long, so I'll just have to wait a bit longer to get a better deal. Other manufacturers are also coming out with units before Christmas (like JVC) but their product reports are sketchy at best and most of their websites are the last thing to get updated...

[Gadget Geek]

Robert Black wrote:

This Gadget Geek guy is probably from NBT electronics, as they seem to spam post all Canadian electronics discussions. They're usually very overpriced, on most electronics.

For the record I'm not affliated with NBT Electronics, just a happy customer. I try to tell as many people about this place because there are so few reputable (small) online Canadian retailers.

I bought a Panny projector back in March 2003 and pre/post service was great.

I wouldn't dare deal with stores in Toronto (Chinatown or College/Spadina) because I just don't trust them. For so called big ticket items, something over $1000. (I have been shopping in that area for 8 years)

So when I find a good place I like to tell people.

If anybody else knows of a good Canadian store online or not, let us know.

BTW the only store I buy from on College/Spadina is Canada Computers for their pricing/service. www.canadacomputers.com

Regards,
Gadget Geek

[BJ_M]

on spadina - "computer nest" has given us good service also (a lot - most all our renderfarm from there) - im sure there is others ..

[ROBERT BLACK]

wouldn't dare deal with stores in Toronto (Chinatown or College/Spadina) because I just don't trust them. For so called big ticket items, something over $1000. (I have been shopping in that area for 8 years)

If you're VERY FIRST post wasn't promoting NBT, and you would not have said you didn't trust ALL stores in Toronto and Chinatown you would've been believable. If you just want to inform people about NBT you would've included information that they're mark up was sky high on most of they're electronics. But they're service was above average, and reliable. It IS. But at those prices it better be. NBT has spammed so many Canadian electronics discussions that it's almost a running joke.


BJ_M: Does Computernest have a URL? I'll do a search, in the meantime.

[BJ_M]

http://www.computernest.com though im not really sure its up to date (in fact its not)

Sonnam is also pretty good and lots of stock (huge stock of motherboards and scsi equipment) http://www.sonnam.com/

a big list (and ratings) of toronto area retails for computer parts is here
http://www.torontopcstores.com/ though a few places are missing (this forum is accually maintained by Premier Computer oddly enough http://www.pccanada.com)