Easiest DVD9 - DVD5 process I've tried yet!

[mluschek]

Tools you'll need:

OSEx 0.0110a1: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9830
Sizzle version 0.1b1 (v0.1b1) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17331

01. Put your DVD into your drive and then open OSEx.

02. Use the following settings for OSEx:

TI (Title): Select the first track (by default it is selected). If your disc has both Widescreen and Fullscreen on the same side then you might have to run a small test to figure out which track is the right one. But Widescreen tends to be the first track and Fullscreen is the second (the other tracks are extras).

CH (Chapter): All of these should be selected since we assume that you want every chapter to remain on your DVD.

AN (Angle): Select only the first angle.

Vid (Video Track): There should only be one track, select it.

Aud (Audio Track): The first track tends to be the 5.1 track, select it and deselect the others.

Sub (Subtitles): Uncheck subtitles.

Fmt (Format): We want to get two tracks: the AC3 (Audio) and M2V (Video) stream. So make sure the Elementary Stream is checked.

Seg (Segmented by): Title, this way we get one big file.

03. Click Begin and rip the DVD to your computer.

04. Open Sizzle.

Select your output path (where you want the dvd .img to be saved to)

Probably leave the Scratch Folder to whatever it defaults to. (unless you know you want it somewhere, this is fine)

Disc Label: Call it whatever you like.

Disc Tab: make sure you're at 16:9 if you just ripped a letterbox dvd. (The only time I've used 4:3 is when i was putting an svcd onto dvd. the svcd is already formatted for what it needs to be, if you make the svcd 16:9 on top of 16:9 it gets really smushed. but thats another set of guidelines.)

Video System: NTSC

Video Format (default 720x480 NTSC)

now DO NOT click "Create Disc Image" just yet. Go to the AUDIO Tab next.

Language: nolang seems to be just fine.

Format: AC3

Dynamic Range Compression: I left it unchecked. same for Surround.

Now go back to CHAPTERS TAB.

Input Format: choose m2v mpeg-2 elementary streams.

now we just need to tell it where our M2V and AC3 files are that we ripped in OSEx.

View/edit files for track: First choose "VIDEO TRACK", then click INPUT FILE PATH.. to tell it where the video track is (m2v)
Then go back and choose "AUDIO TRACK 1", and then click INPUT FILE PATH.. to tell it where your audio track
is (AC3).

You should only have 1 chapter, so no need to bother w/ "ADD CHAPTER".

Now click the DISC TAB, and NOW click CREATE DISC IMAGE.

When its done, find your .img, and burn as a disc image in Toast.

This image process does not take very long, obviously it depends on your processor and machine and all, but in the relative world of DVD ripping and dealing w/ huge files, this is a pretty painless, quick process. I've tried 2 discs (Spiderman and Mallrats) both were multi layer, over 7gig discs, and my disc images were both less then 4.7g each. Thanks to[*]_BonKerS_[*] who posted a portion of this on dvdhelp.com (steps 1, 3 and part of 2)

[Starshaped]

I also use Osex to get the .m2v and .ac3 files,but i use DVDSP instead of Sizzle too insert chapters and build the disc at the end.

If the file is too big for a dvdr after i have extracted i use Minx Transcoder to reduce the file to fit a single disc,but this takes about 12 hours anyone know of a quicker way?

[sherry]

The two process are both efficient and easy. But none of them deal with subtitles.

[bilestyle]

you also need to take something else into consideration... sometimes JUST the movie is bigger than 4.3 gigs, If it is, this method will not work. I have quite a large chunk of DVD's that fit in that category, so i figured since this guide didn't cover that aspect i'd throw it in there.

[sherry]

you also need to take something else into consideration... sometimes JUST the movie is bigger than 4.3 gigs, If it is, this method will not work. I have quite a large chunk of DVD's that fit in that category, so i figured since this guide didn't cover that aspect i'd throw it in there.

Minx Transcoder shrinks yr .m2v file to fit into a DVD-R, you can then build with DVDSP and burn thanks to Toast. But it's not straight backups for sure.

[sherry]

Actually, the main problem remains the same (if you don't care about time and about using two or three apps). It's subtitles.
We have several great apps to rip video and audio streams and then build up a VIDEO_TS file but so far very few, except ffmpegX (with which I'm struggling for unknown reasons at the moment ) are taking care of subtitles. What I consider like a major matter as I like movies in their original language.

[TheConfuzed1]

Where can I find DVDSP?

[Starshaped]

you also need to take something else into consideration... sometimes JUST the movie is bigger than 4.3 gigs, If it is, this method will not work. I have quite a large chunk of DVD's that fit in that category, so i figured since this guide didn't cover that aspect i'd throw it in there.

Minx Transcoder shrinks yr .m2v file to fit into a DVD-R, you can then build with DVDSP and burn thanks to Toast. But it's not straight backups for sure.

When i put large files into Minx it doesn't seem to recognize how big they are,it tells me they don't need reducing.I have to use the bitrate calculator on this site and use the cusome bitrate choice from the dropdown menu instead of the fir dvd-r one. Any ideas whu it's doing this?


The Confuzzled-DVD Studio Pro is Apple software.

[schmeg]

DVDSP = DVD Studio Pro = www.apple.com


SUBTITLES
1) 42 will preserve subtitles as an overlaid graphic

2) ffmpegX with the mplayer option also overlays the graphic image

3) Disco+ keeps the subtitle track intact, although the colors are often incorrect

4) mpeg2decX converts .vob to .mov and can handle subtitles as an overlaid graphic...the .mov can then be converted to .m2v

5) OpenShiiva converts to MPEG-4, with subtitles

6) around the corner, Sizzle might offer some kind of subtitles support.


No perfect solution, but plenty of ways to burn a few hours experimenting...

[sherry]

Yep, no ideal solution like you said.
1 - I gave a try to 42. Have tried to encode a DVD-R and have ended up with a 900 Mo.iso file
2 - ffmpegX was the best option but for no obvious reasons it stopped working on my computer after a good spell. I'm still trying to work this out.
3 - for the others, my only option is to have file acceptable by DVD SP to burn a DVD.

[TheConfuzed1]

...The Confuzzled-DVD Studio Pro is Apple software.

Thanks.

Instructions...
...When its done, find your .img, and burn as a disc image in Toast.

I burned as a disc image and it made a disc that would play in my comp, but not my DVD player. I then burned a new disc as a DVD and it worked just fine. All in all though, beautiful. Now I just need to learn how to do the same thing, while retaining chapters (and eventually subtitles).

[bilestyle]

well minx transcoder isnt the perfect solution to the problem of video being too large... often material processed in that software will yield the same video/audio sync problems that are a problem in most encoding software on the mac (for NTSC source material anyways)

[Starshaped]

well minx transcoder isnt the perfect solution to the problem of video being too large... often material processed in that software will yield the same video/audio sync problems that are a problem in most encoding software on the mac (for NTSC source material anyways)

I've used it 5 times and had no sync problems so far,was PAL material though.

[sherry]

well minx transcoder isnt the perfect solution to the problem of video being too large... often material processed in that software will yield the same video/audio sync problems that are a problem in most encoding software on the mac (for NTSC source material anyways)

I've used it 5 times and had no sync problems so far,was PAL material though.

yes, the same here. Minx did what I wanted it to do.

[kagharaht]

Tried using MinxTrans at least 5 different DVDs that I own. They are all out of synch. These are not PAL DVDS. It seems like PAL DVDs work fine, but it has trouble with NTSC...oh well. Lets just hope DVD2ONE is successful.

[TheConfuzed1]

Using the result of the instructions above, is it possible to add chapters to the movie?

[Starshaped]

You can add chapters with DVDSP,but i don't know about the other program mentioned.

[AntnyMD]

You Minx NTSC users should run your Minx-outputted MPEG-2 files through PulldownX to insert 3:2 pulldown flags that will help with your sync issues.

[clbarbosa]

Just to let you know that Sizzle is subtitles compatible now (version 0.1).
I wonder if anybody can help me because even with Sizzle I can't get my final media to have portuguese subtitles, it want appear in the option list subtitles in Sizzle. I use OSex, then Sizzle 0.1. I've been told that I have to use a SUBtractor. Can anybody explain to me what and how to do it?

Thank You

[bonanzataz]

I have a question about sizzle. I have a wav file that I encoded as a PCM wav to be dvd compatible. But, Sizzle won't let me use that as the audio track. The file itself is a .wav. If there is no easy way to use this, is there a program that will encode into ac3 for me?

thanks.

[bilestyle]

You Minx NTSC users should run your Minx-outputted MPEG-2 files through PulldownX to insert 3:2 pulldown flags that will help with your sync issues.

thankfully i have plenty of other ways to reach my end result, i've never really needed to use minx transcoder.. i want somethiing to do it right the first time, dont wanna be using multiple programs and then crossin my fingers for sync (like i used to). minx transcoder doesn't combine any tools that havent been combined before in some other GUI wrapper.

[mluschek]

"thankfully i have plenty of other ways to reach my end result, i've never really needed to use minx transcoder.."


such as...?

[mluschek]

ok, so my method doesn't always work. heh..it did on the first few dvds i tried, but i've since run into one that was too big. of course i tried Minx, and what a shock! it was out of sync. still looking for a way to compress (that works.)

[bilestyle]

"thankfully i have plenty of other ways to reach my end result, i've never really needed to use minx transcoder.."


such as...?

no offense, but if you did a little searchin in this forum you would find this has been covered several times, so pardon the fact that i dont write out explicit long instructions... in fact im just going to name the programs or what the process name goes by and you can search from there, im sorry i just dont have the time to kill as much as i did b4 to write out the same instructions repeatedly. i have used 3 programs/processes for DVD-9 to 5 conversions.. the quicktime transcoding process, which wizeman just recently did a lengthy post about, (its basically the same process i always used), 42 has never failed me, and as much as i am ashamed of the program, afropic always did the job for me as well.-- and there are other processes that i used down the line which i know work, but i have since expired the usage of because they are so archaic and backwards.

[mluschek]

no offense taken. i haven't tried the quicktime transcoding method, but 42 was out of sync, and i have to pay apple $30 just find out if afropic works. based on previous experiences with the "cure all" to dvd compression, not sure i wanna risk flushing $30 down the toilet if it doesn't. no offense. I'll look into the qt thing.

[bilestyle]

one problem.. the quicktime transcoding method requires the 30$ plugin as well... i know it may sound egotistical me suggesting my own stuff that i've worked on as the only solutions, but to be quite honest out side of roundabout quicktime methods, they are the only other things that are tried and true that dont fail me ever... trust me, even if you dont get afropic to work, the mpeg-2 component is more than worth 30$, i dont actually agree with apple charging for it, i think it should be free, but i will give them credit and say its worth the money. Even for those roundabout quicktime methods you need it, its a pretty fundamental piece of software as far as syncing pain in the butt ntsc material goes.

[moegreen]

I'm still stuck on the sync issues using any method. Whether splitting a DVD9 into two DVD-r or transcoding it down to size. I've done tons of DVDs successfully via both methods, but I still run into some problems.

The problem appears (to me) to be with the beginning graphics at the start of the DVD. Such as the Dreamworks, WB, Universial etc signature video preceding the movie. One theory is that this is video originally at 30 fps, and the actual movie was originally 24 fps. From my understanding, this only occures with NTSC movies, and perhaps only on the Mac.

The problem is any one method of backing up a DVD can work majority of the time, but I've come across a few sticklers. I beleive the people who are claiming success at with any method are either just lucky or haven't backed up many DVDs.

So has anyone found a work around this sync problem? The "pulldown" option seems to be the solution, but get same results regardless of the setting on the various apps.

[MichaelLAX]

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[schmeg]

Try MediaPipe for encoding. It works brilliantly for encoding movies that are >4.4 GB and have mixed frame rates in the opening titles. If the main body of your movie is a consistent 23.975 or 29.97, give this a whirl.

The important pipe to use (and instructions for MediaPipe can be found elsewhere -- I think I wrote some out many topics ago) is the frame rate changer. You build a sequence of pipes (tasks), and add the frame rate changer, unclicking the "soft change" option and making the appropriate time-base entry.

Meaning, you force the encode to take any 29.97 sequences, for example, and change them to 23.976. In so many cases this may only be necessary on the first few seconds of video, and the rest of the encode is smoothly in NTSC Film rate.

Confusing? Isn't it all by now?

[bilestyle]

I'm still stuck on the sync issues using any method. Whether splitting a DVD9 into two DVD-r or transcoding it down to size. I've done tons of DVDs successfully via both methods, but I still run into some problems.

The problem appears (to me) to be with the beginning graphics at the start of the DVD. Such as the Dreamworks, WB, Universial etc signature video preceding the movie. One theory is that this is video originally at 30 fps, and the actual movie was originally 24 fps. From my understanding, this only occures with NTSC movies, and perhaps only on the Mac.

The problem is any one method of backing up a DVD can work majority of the time, but I've come across a few sticklers. I beleive the people who are claiming success at with any method are either just lucky or haven't backed up many DVDs.

So has anyone found a work around this sync problem? The "pulldown" option seems to be the solution, but get same results regardless of the setting on the various apps.

see the whole 29.97 and 24 fps mixture is kind of incorrect - the biggest problem is the fact that 99.99% of software used to get "vob" files doesn't really give you a proper vob (not dvd backup, not mplayer not mencoder not dvdz not dvd extractor not yade and ESPECIALLY not osex) that is the real root of most of the sync issues one can encounter.