Frameserving????? why do it????

[esmerelda1983]

i have been reading through the forums for a few months, just learning a few things here and there.
i have seen many posts about frameserving to cce. i have tried frameserving with virtualdub to tmpgenc but i noticed no difference.
1) what is the benefit of framserving?

i usualy just open the avi in tmpgenc and start encode from there. i here cce is better and faster than tmpgenc for mpeg-2????? true?????
im gunna get my hands on a trial version of cce just to see what all the fuss is about.
also any other things u can tell me about makeing svcd's would be nice

thanx to ALL people who post on this forum, i learn lots from ur problems. although i feel i still have much to learn

[VirtualAdept]

The benefit of frameserving is that you save on an intermediary file if you need to alter your source in some way first before encoding (e.g. adding or removing a logo or adding permanent subtitles).

[SLK001]

Well, what do you do if you do NOT have an .AVI file (most files are not .AVI in the sense that you are refering)? And what do you do if your encoding program only accepts .AVI files? The answer is frameserve. Frameserving takes a file that can be from many different formats (as long as there is a CODEC for the format for VFW) and creates a "pseudo" .AVI file to present to the program. As far as the program knows, you are sending it a real .AVI file. There is no need to create an intermediate .AVI file (which can be huge), since each field from the file is created and sent to the program separately.

Frameserving also allows the user to manipulate the file being sent with various filters, so that true customization can occur.

[Gargoyle]

CCE is definitely faster than TMPEGenc: the main reason people frameserve to CCE is that it can't resize (other than 1/2 the horizontal and/or vertical size) - by frameserving you can do all your re-sizing, add subtitles, etc., and still get the speed advantage.

[esmerelda1983]

so if i wanna make a svcd with cce i must resize the frame to 480x576(pal) with virtualdub???? and i can also add croping and noise filters ect....? must i put it into full processing mode?

what about avisynth. i have never used it. is it better that virtualdub?

does anyone now a GOOD "how to" for me to read about frameserving to cce to make svcd?

thanx for all your help

[adam]

You should never use vdub for frameserving unless you specifically need a certain vdub filter that is not supported in avisynth. Frameserving through avisynth is much faster and if your source is a dvd then it is MUCH faster. With avisynth you can keep your encode in YUV like the dvd instead of having to convert to RGB so this can increase your encoding speed by %20 at least.

For dvd to svcd conversions, yes avisynth is much better than vdub. Personally I think the standard svcd guides at www.doom9.net are very well written.

[esmerelda1983]

i found a copy of cce but it leaves the logo in the middle of my test clip, although it was FAST it didnt look good, i am thinking that i had the settings wrong. anybody know how much it is to buy?

i had a look at avisynth and i just didnt understand it. i coudnt even install it i think i will just stick with vdub. im not too worried about speed anyway.

thanx to all for their help

[kinneera]

CCE is certainly more difficult to use but can yield very good results. There are ways...around...the logo, including paying the $4000 retail price. I'll leave that one to your research abilities.

Avisynth is not a GUI based frameserver, it relies on control scripts. There are guides around, should be something under Convert on this site, or doom9.org has some very good guides on using it. A simple script isn't actually terribly difficult to set up. Once you figure it out, you'll never go back...so give it another shot.

[esmerelda1983]

well like i said, i stuck with vdub, mostly because of its gui. (maybe when i learn some more ill have a 2nd look at avisynth) but now i got 2 more problems

1)cce outputs 2 files. 1 *.mpa and 1 *.mpv what do i do with these files. can i see the video now. (i assume its *.mpv, but i tryed to open it in windvd{mpeg-2} and nothing happened)

2)when i try and frameserve with vdub i cant open the file i saved. i have tryed both *.avi and *.vdr cce, tmpgenc and even realone gives me an error.
the file d:\............... could not be opened or unsupported
i have done frameserve with vdub a few months ago, and i did install the dll's ect... when i did frameserve it was with the old version of vdub(i think it was 1.3a. i cant remember), maybe something wrong wit my current version( 1.4.10)

any help would be great coz cce is fast, now if i could only make it work :P

thanx

[VirtualAdept]

1)cce outputs 2 files. 1 *.mpa and 1 *.mpv what do i do with these files. can i see the video now. (i assume its *.mpv, but i tryed to open it in windvd{mpeg-2} and nothing happened)

You need to multiplex them to a proper MPEG system stream. TMPGEnc, bbmpeg and other programs can do this.
.mpa is the audio and .mpv the video stream.

2)when i try and frameserve with vdub i cant open the file i saved. i have tryed both *.avi and *.vdr cce, tmpgenc and even realone gives me an error.
the file d:\............... could not be opened or unsupported
i have done frameserve with vdub a few months ago, and i did install the dll's ect... when i did frameserve it was with the old version of vdub(i think it was 1.3a. i cant remember), maybe something wrong wit my current version( 1.4.10)

The auxsetup.exe of VD 1.4.10 has some wrong/uncommon DLL linked to it by mistake. As a workaround, you can use the auxsetup of 1.4.9 without problem with 1.4.10.
There's also a thread about this floating about the board, but I don't know the link offhand.

[esmerelda1983]

OOOOOHHHHHHH NNNNNOOOOOO

when i downloaded the new vdub i deleted the old version

does anybody know where i can get that auxsetup.exe of VD 1.4.9??

[Beavis]

You can still get the old versions at the official download site.

[VirtualAdept]

does anybody know where i can get that auxsetup.exe of VD 1.4.9??

Hmmm.. from the VirtualDub website?

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualdub/VirtualDub-1_4_9.zip

[esmerelda1983]

i got the file from vd 1.4.9 and installed the handler but it still dont work. i even reset my computer after. then i tryed uninstalling the new handler and then installing the 1.4.9 handler again, then reset. is there something wrong with vd 1.4.9 also?

[Anonymoususer]

I downloaded a movie and the idiot who apparently ripped the movie or encoded it put 3 of his e mail address right in the middle of the opening credits..good thing is that I can make it blend in very nicely by using the Removelogo filter in Virtual Dub..BUT the problem is that it will only work when I have it set in full processing mode..and when I save as avi the file size is going to be huge even though it works pretty good..is there anyway around this...