heads up on "beauty and the beast: special edition"

[poopyhead]

the movie is basically FILM (99% FILM to be exact)

however, it seems like it's a hybrid, jumping from progressive to interlaced scenes back-and-forth

so forced film is prolly not a good idea (looks kinda jumpy, not as bad as some others, but still jumpy with interlaced lines every other second...i don't think de-interlace filter will be acceptable to remove all those lines as they appear so often and will prolly result in lotta jumpiness)

best bet is to

1) IVTC
2) turn off force film and encode at 29.97 fps interlaced

[Treebeard]

Who would have thought that somebody with a screen name of Poopyhead would be so cultured and watch Beauty and the Beast!

[SLK001]

Why would a 24fps film be a hybrid? What is it exactly that makes you think that there are interlaced scenes in it? DVD2AVI strips out the 2:3 pulldown flags and sets the fps to 24 (or 23.976) when you use FORCE FILM.

And, an IVTC is creating a 24fps video which you then tell us to encode at 29.97fps. What does this do for us?

If in doubt, use DVD2AVI with FORCE FILM to create a project, create an .AVS script, then open it in VirtualDub. Single step your way through the areas that you believe are interlaced and see if you see interlacing artifacts. With FORCE FILM, there will be no TELECINEing occuring and your frame rate will be 23.976fps. If you see interlacing artifacts now, then you are correct - this is a hybrid. But your 99% FILM statement belies this being a hybrid.

[poopyhead]

SLK001,

1) this is a hybrid because the SOURCE video jumps back and forth between interlaced and progressive frames. i was surprised at this since the video type is 99% FILM. this was why i decided to post this warning because even though the video type was 99% FILM, it is still a hybrid.

2) yes, i did use forced film and encoded it as 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown. so it doesn't matter if dvd2avi strips any 3:2 pulldown flags because tmpgenc will add them back in during encoding. this is how i realized the movie must be a hybrid because there were interlaced lines every scene even though the video SOURCE is 99% FILM.

3) my suggestions are separate....as in either or, but not both

i.e. either IVTC OR 29.97 fps + interlaced

SLBOSS926, it's a classic..

[tonyp12]

this is a hybrid because the SOURCE video jumps back and forth between interlaced and progressive frames.

With DVD2AVi and Force film on, save project.

Now use Virtualdub (or tmpgenc's source selector)
and grap a screen shot that shows a interlaced frame.

Post it here so we can look at it.

I can not see why it would be a hybrid as it was shown in the
movie-theater at 23.97 frames. (progressive ofcource)

[boldego]

I used forced film and it came out fine. Snow White is the same way. It does rapidly change from progressive to interlaced when you view it in DVD2AVI but it came out fine using force film.

[poopyhead]

boldego,

you looked at the rip carefully?

beauty and the beast is not similar to snow white...

snow white had little, if any, interlaced lines when forced film

if you force film w/ beauty and the beast, there will be lines

[poopyhead]

I can not see why it would be a hybrid as it was shown in the movie-theater at 23.97 frames. (progressive ofcource)

just cuz it's shown in movie theaters doesn't mean it'll translate the same to the DVD...

(i.e. Jason X was completely 100% NTSC, don't tell me they showed it at the theater that way..)

[boldego]

I didn't look at each frame but I know that in the view window of DVD2AVI the alternated very rapidly. I used forced film for both and they came out fine.

[poopyhead]

I didn't look at each frame but I know that in the view window of DVD2AVI the alternated very rapidly. I used forced film for both and they came out fine.

you looked at your dvd rip? jump to the middle somewhere and look at it for couple mins... you can try slow motion if you're not used to it...you'll c lines in your rip if you forced film

i would take a screenshot of my first rip, but i deleted it cuz i'm redoing it

[boldego]

I'll look at it now and see if I can notice anything.....don't know with my eyes.

[boldego]

I checked every 5 minutes on the rip and played it for a bit on slow motion 3 and didn't see any lines, but I don't have the best eyes. I'll check it again when I'm a little more awake.

[boldego]

Mea culpa, mea culpa
Here is the info off the mpg. Sorry I guess I didn't force film. Sorry.

Stream type:
MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 480*480
Aspect ratio: 4:3 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 2520000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 56
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 9
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Interlaced
Notes:

[poopyhead]

well.....

i decided to take a chance and use the adaptive de-interlace filter and force film with this movie, even though every other frame was interlaced. the result was really good, contrary to my original belief.

i guess since the video type is 99% FILM after all, the video shouldn't be too jumpy, despite the hybrid character of the frames. in fact, the adaptive de-interlace filter actually seemed to remove any of the jumpiness in my original encoding that i forced film, but did not use any de-interlace filter.....

[RPM]

I've successfully ripped around forty movies, but Beauty and the Beast is defeating me. With SmartRipper, program 1, angle 1, I got weird interlacing problems. The left 80% of the screen shows lines, the right side 20% does not. I've never encountered this. With decrypter in file mode, I can get a viewable movie, but there are 6 GB in VTS_09.

Would someone who has successfully ripped this movie to create copy for children to insert in the DVD player tell me what you did?

[poopyhead]

turn on force film in dvd2avi.

then encode in tmpgenc as 23.976 fps + 3:2 pulldown.

then goto tmpgenc's filters section under the advanced menu and enable the de-interlace filter.

under that filter, choose either "blend (adaptive)" or "double (adaptive)" depending on which version of tmpgenc u have. the adaptive de-interlace might increase your encode time, but the quality is better than if you would use the non-adaptive versions of the de-interlace filter.

this worked for me.

[SingSing]

Do Disney do this on purpose, to discourage the most rripped
studio - Disney animation Movie ?

[poopyhead]

Do Disney do this on purpose, to discourage the most rripped
studio - Disney animation Movie ?

i'm not sure...but i'm sure there are other non-disney movies similar to this....but, in this case, the interlaced lines can easily be removed with an adaptive de-interlace filter w/o making the video jumpy.