Which video is better ?

[Tedbax]

I have 2 mkv from a film:

Video 1: x264, 1280 x 536, 5727 Kbps, 6.75 GB
Video 2: x264, 720 x 576, 6382 Kbps, 5.22 GB

I want delete some scenes with Avidemux.
Then I want store the film on my pc and watch it later on my pc-monitor (1280 x 1024 pixels).
To make it smaller, I want with Avidemux new decode the film to x264 with CRF19 or framerate 2000.

My question for the profis: What is the better video for me (qualitiy), video 1 or 2 ?
And why (if you want to answer)?

Thank you very much for an answer and sorry for my ugly english.

[jagabo]

The one that looks better.

[Cornucopia]

You may have a problem there: if those files contained ONLY the single video stream with no audio or other streams, your first file amounts to 9887.045 seconds, while the seconds amounts to 6861.256 seconds. So one clip is 3025.789 seconds longer.

Unless of course you have audio or other streams included. In which case, you haven't given us near enough info to make any determination at all.

Scott

[Tedbax]

You may have a problem there: if those files contained ONLY the single video stream with no audio or other streams, your first file amounts to 9887.045 seconds, while the seconds amounts to 6861.256 seconds. So one clip is 3025.789 seconds longer.

Unless of course you have audio or other streams included. In which case, you haven't given us near enough info to make any determination at all.

Scott

If I understand you right (my english is bad), you need more infos?

(sorry, much text)

Video 1:
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Format version : Version 2
File size : 6.75 GiB
Duration : 1h 48mn
Overall bit rate : 8 889 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2016-04-28 16:08:51
Writing application : mkvmerge v3.4.0 ('Rapunzel') gebaut am May 15 2010 09:38:20
Writing library : libebml v0.8.0 + libmatroska v0.9.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 48mn
Bit rate : 5 727 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 536 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.348
Stream size : 4.18 GiB (62%)
Title : 720p
Writing library : x264 core 148 r2692 64f4e24
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=17 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=5727 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 48mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 93.750 fps (512 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.15 GiB (17%)
Title : 5.1 Sound
Language : German
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 48mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 2s 0ms
Stream size : 149 MiB (2%)
Title : PsO Line
Language : German
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : ES Matrix / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 48mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 7 channels / 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: C, LFE / Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 93.750 fps (512 spf)
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 11ms
Stream size : 1.15 GiB (17%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 5
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : German
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes

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Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : English-Forced
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

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Format version : Version 2
File size : 5.23 GiB
Duration : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 7 220 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-21 02:26:29
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.9.10 win(x86-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.9.10 (1.3.3/1.4.4) win(x86-release)
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Format settings, GOP : Variable
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Bit rate mode : Variable
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Maximum bit rate : 9 800 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.616
Time code of first frame : 00:01:35:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 4.62 GiB (88%)
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

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ID : 2
ID in the original source m : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
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Duration : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 332 MiB (6%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

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ID : 3
ID in the original source m : 189 (0xBD)-130 (0x82)
Format : AC-3
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Mode extension : CM (complete main)
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Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 285 MiB (5%)
Title : Surround 5.1
Language : German
Default : No
Forced : No

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[jagabo]

Nobody can tell you which video is better by examining statistics. You have to LOOK at the videos with your eyes to see which is better.

[Cornucopia]

...but one can make a few assumptions.

The 2nd video looks to be a MKV-rewrap of standard MPEG2 DVD material. It contains anamorphic display (either 16:9 native or ~2.4:1 padded to 16:9). It is, however, NOT as efficient as AVC/h264 (and you are incorrect in your original post: video2 is NOT encoded with x264 encoder).

It may be an original, or it may be a first generation PAL version from a film. Video #1 could be a first generation from a film (after inverse telecine), or it may be a 2nd generation from Video #2. It's also possible, but not likely, that Video #2 is a 2nd gen from Video #1.

Note that V2 is VBR. V1 is NOT, it is CBR, which is a shameful waste of good bitrate. If it IS a 2nd gen from V2, it makes no sense to do all that other stuff (IVTC, crop-to-native-ultrawide-squarepixel) and then waste the compression on CBR.

Of course, there is a 5 minute discrepancy between the 2 videos - that's a lot to have to correct & resync! Better to GO BACK TO A KNOWN GOOD SOURCE, and work from there.

Scott

[KarMa]

The one that looks better.

The Conch Shell has spoken.

[Tedbax]

... you are incorrect in your original post: video2 is NOT encoded with x264 encoder...

Oh, sorry. It's a big error from me.

Much thanks for all helpers in this threads.

[jagabo]

So which did you decide was better? And how did you come to that conclusion?

[pandy]

The one that looks better.

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The Conch Shell has spoken.

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