Some VOBs have different fps on same DVD

[Bootstrap]

Okay, I am new to HandBrake, been using it less than a week. And I have run into a problem with audio sync. I checked the source DVD and the first vob of the movie is showing at 29.97 fps, the remainder of the vobs in the movie are listed at 23.xx by MediaInfo. I converted it using VFR "Same as source" and it plays for awhile okay, but the farther into the playback, the more out-of-sync it becomes.

Any ideas how to handle this in HandBrake? Should I use a constant fps set to 29.97 or 23.xx? Will HandBrake understnad that it needs to adjust the rate of some of the vobs... as my bluray player doesn't seem to handle multiple different rates within the same mp4.

[hech54]

You need to stop messing with VOB files and frame rates is what you need to do.
By the way.....we are all still waiting for this 59.97 fps DVD you insist that you own.

[Bootstrap]

You need to stop messing with VOB files and frame rates is what you need to do.
By the way.....we are all still waiting for this 59.97 fps DVD you insist that you own.

I went to look for it, but couldn't locate it. Possibly I was dreaming. That has been known to happen... to more people than just me. But I did note that the Xilisoft video converter, when set to "auto" fps, sometimes produced an output file at 59.xx fps. It does not usually do that, and I don't know why it does.

I am not messing around with vobs. I ripped a dvd and had an audio sync issue that grew progressively worse as playback continued. The audio sync issue only occurred on my bluray player, VLC played it fine. The mp4 had been produced by HandBrake with VFR set to true. I took a look at the VIDEO_TS folder and found the vobs that produced the conversion... the first vob of the movie (found it by playing them thru VLC) was listed by MediaInfo at 29.xx, the 2nd vob of the movie was found to be 23.xx by MediaInfo. The mp4 produced by HandBrake had some oddball fps.

I am trying to get some suggestions how to handle this situation.

By the way, why should I stop messing with vobs?

[hech54]

By the way, why should I stop messing with vobs?

1) Because they are only functional while inside a VIDEO_TS folder. They are of NO USE to you outside of that environment.
The VOB files inside of that VIDEO_TS folder are all tied together by the other files in that folder. Individually they are useless....and the more languages and subtitles there are on that DVD....the more useless and individual VOB becomes.
2) Handbrake has an "Open DVD/Video_TS" option.....use it.

You are re-encoding a DVD with HandBrake......not VOB files.

[manono]

the first vob of the movie (found it by playing them thru VLC) was listed by MediaInfo at 29.xx, the 2nd vob of the movie was found to be 23.xx by MediaInfo.

The first VOB of a movie on DVD usually begins with studio logos and other such crap. And they are sometimes encoded differently than is the movie itself. Of course, all DVDs output interlaced 29.97fps, but they can almost always (the movies) be restored to progressive 23.976fps.

My guess is the opening part is hard telecine and the rest is soft telecine. No way to know for sure without samples, though. Ordinarily you'd make a D2V using Honor Pulldown Flags followed by an AviSynth script with:

TFM(D2V="c:\oursource.d2v")
TDecimate()

How Handbrake does it I don't know and care even less. But there must be a way to IVTC it within that program. The problem with handbrake, though, is that they've invented new terms for things that are called differently by everyone else. As a result the tutorial makes almost no sense to me. And they sound so proud of themselves for reinventing the wheel.

[Bootstrap]

By the way, why should I stop messing with vobs?

1) Because they are only functional while inside a VIDEO_TS folder. They are of NO USE to you outside of that environment.
The VOB files inside of that VIDEO_TS folder are all tied together by the other files in that folder. Individually they are useless....and the more languages and subtitles there are on that DVD....the more useless and individual VOB becomes.
2) Handbrake has an "Open DVD/Video_TS" option.....use it.

You are re-encoding a DVD with HandBrake......not VOB files.

Yes. I was doing exactly as you suggest. I was using HandBrake to open the VIDEO_TS folder. I never accessed the vobs directly, except to use MediaInfo to examine them. That is when I uncovered the fps difference... and wondered if somehow the VFR option in HandBrade had caused a multi-speed mp4 to be created. Other than peeking at them with MediaInfo, I never use the vobs directly... I do play them with VLC to find out what is inside of each tho...

[hech54]

By the way, why should I stop messing with vobs?

1) Because they are only functional while inside a VIDEO_TS folder. They are of NO USE to you outside of that environment.
The VOB files inside of that VIDEO_TS folder are all tied together by the other files in that folder. Individually they are useless....and the more languages and subtitles there are on that DVD....the more useless and individual VOB becomes.
2) Handbrake has an "Open DVD/Video_TS" option.....use it.

You are re-encoding a DVD with HandBrake......not VOB files.

Yes. I was doing exactly as you suggest. I was using HandBrake to open the VIDEO_TS folder. I never accessed the vobs directly, except to use MediaInfo to examine them. That is when I uncovered the fps difference... and wondered if somehow the VFR option in HandBrade had caused a multi-speed mp4 to be created. Other than peeking at them with MediaInfo, I never use the vobs directly... I do play them with VLC to find out what is inside of each tho...

Once again....you are not listening and haven't listening to anything anyone has told you.

I have an iPod Touch, my wife has an iPhone(both newest generations)...the "iPhone and iPod Touch" preset in HandBrake works perfectly for both. The best way to ensure that you get a playable m4v file to almost any device is to rip with DVDFab/DVDFabDecrypter with the "Main Movie" option and removing the unnecessary languages and subtitles....THEN convert with HandBrake.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/346874-A-DVD-ripper-that-will-produce-AVC%28NTSC%29...=1#post2168142
Stop messing with or worrying about VOB files. They are of NO CONCERN to you AT ALL. You need to pull THE MOVIE (main movie) from the DVD, then re-encode that with HandBrake, WinFF or whatever else you want to use. An MP4 file is just that....a FILE. It's not a DVD...it has no menus, trailers, FBI Warnings, bonus scenes, easter eggs...NOTHING.

[Bootstrap]

By the way, why should I stop messing with vobs?

1) Because they are only functional while inside a VIDEO_TS folder. They are of NO USE to you outside of that environment.
The VOB files inside of that VIDEO_TS folder are all tied together by the other files in that folder. Individually they are useless....and the more languages and subtitles there are on that DVD....the more useless and individual VOB becomes.
2) Handbrake has an "Open DVD/Video_TS" option.....use it.

You are re-encoding a DVD with HandBrake......not VOB files.

Yes. I was doing exactly as you suggest. I was using HandBrake to open the VIDEO_TS folder. I never accessed the vobs directly, except to use MediaInfo to examine them. That is when I uncovered the fps difference... and wondered if somehow the VFR option in HandBrade had caused a multi-speed mp4 to be created. Other than peeking at them with MediaInfo, I never use the vobs directly... I do play them with VLC to find out what is inside of each tho...

Once again....you are not listening and haven't listening to anything anyone has told you.

I have an iPod Touch, my wife has an iPhone(both newest generations)...the "iPhone and iPod Touch" preset in HandBrake works perfectly for both. The best way to ensure that you get a playable m4v file to almost any device is to rip with DVDFab/DVDFabDecrypter with the "Main Movie" option and removing the unnecessary languages and subtitles....THEN convert with HandBrake.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/346874-A-DVD-ripper-that-will-produce-AVC%28NTSC%29...=1#post2168142
Stop messing with or worrying about VOB files. They are of NO CONCERN to you AT ALL. You need to pull THE MOVIE (main movie) from the DVD, then re-encode that with HandBrake, WinFF or whatever else you want to use. An MP4 file is just that....a FILE. It's not a DVD...it has no menus, trailers, FBI Warnings, bonus scenes, easter eggs...NOTHING.

You know, I think you act this way deliberately. I am doing what you just described. I have told you this at least once before in this thread. I even used DVDFab, as you suggested. Which part of, "I am following your suggestions"... did you not understand.

I do not mess with vobs. I had a problem. I examined the vobs to try and find what had caused the problem. That is all. DVDFab put the stupid vobs on my computer in a VIDEO_TS folder.

Not that any of this is relevant to my question in this thread, but why not just get off my back. And if you have nothing to contribute, except to rag on me, leave me alone.

The vobs are completely irrelevant to the problem I am having. They are completely and totally AFTER THE FACT. My problem is an audio sync issue. I was using HandBrake to convert a VIDEO_TS folder to an mp4 file. That is all.

[hech54]

I am doing what you just described.

No you are not. One of the VOB files in the set of the MAIN MOVIE cannot have a different framerate from the others....therefor you did NOT rip movie only via DVDFabDecrypter or any other program. Plain and simple.
Vague and simple, knee-jerk denials with ZERO attempts on your part to prove or even slightly verify what you SAY you did or didn't do OVER AND OVER AGAIN is why I keep riding you. I don't give a damn how long you keep doing the wrong and say you are doing the right thing....my job here is to keep other newbies from reading what you say as a viable option.
Your ramblings will do nothing but harm to future visitors to www.videohelp.com.....and it WILL NOT go unchallenged.

[Bootstrap]

Okay, you win. I do not need this.

[Steve(MS)]

Bootstrap, it does sound like you are doing something funky to get your results thus hech54's reaction.
First of all, make sure you are using the most up to date dvdfab, then select movie only and copy to hard drive.
Perhaps you should try Vidcoder as it uses handbrake but has a simpler gui.
Whichever you use Vidcoder or handbrake, take note of exactly what all your settings are, then report back info
and perhaps someone can help you.

[Jason149]

You need to stop messing with VOB files and frame rates is what you need to do.
By the way.....we are all still waiting for this 59.97 fps DVD you insist that you own.

Jurassic Park III Widescreen Edition DVD which I own plays at 59.97 fps. Have a few others that do as well, but don't remember offhand which they are.

[manono]

Jurassic Park III Widescreen Edition DVD which I own plays at 59.97 fps.

Stop making these idiotic claims. There's not a DVD ever released that outputs 59.94 frames per second. Sure, it can output 59.94 fields per second, which are bobbed into frames, but that's not the same thing as what you're saying.

Since you're unwilling to upload any samples for us to have a look and then explain to you what's really going on, I'll just leave it at that.

[Jason149]

Jurassic Park III Widescreen Edition DVD which I own plays at 59.97 fps.

Stop making these idiotic claims. There's not a DVD ever released that outputs 59.94 frames per second. Sure, it can output 59.94 fields per second, which are bobbed into frames, but that's not the same thing as what you're saying.

Since you're unwilling to upload any samples for us to have a look and then explain to you what's really going on, I'll just leave it at that.

Are you blind man?! It's not an idiot claim. its fact just look at the screenshot. I don't care what it outputs at or what you're comparing it to. Its a dvd made at 59 fps....period. Sure I could upload loads of samples if you wish, but I dont care to know whats going on, just proof that its a dvd running at 59 fps. Thats all that needs to be known. I could upload tons of proof and you'de still have something to complain or argue about. Just trying to clarify the above post and I think I've done that.

Where did I say I was unwilling to upload any samples? If you would like me to then just ask, otherwise dont waste forum space with useless text.

[hech54]

Are you blind man?! It's not an idiot claim. its fact just look at the screenshot. I don't care what it outputs at or what you're comparing it to. Its a dvd made at 59 fps....period. Sure I could upload loads of samples if you wish, but I dont care to know whats going on, just proof that its a dvd running at 59 fps. Thats all that needs to be known. I could upload tons of proof and you'de still have something to complain or argue about. Just trying to clarify the above post and I think I've done that.

Where did I say I was unwilling to upload any samples? If you would like me to then just ask, otherwise dont waste forum space with useless text.

It's FIELDS per second.

[jman98]

It's unfortunately becoming more and more common for software programs to confuse fields and frames per seconds and report the former as the latter. This is what is going on with your DVD. This is just leading to a lot of general confusion. I had a discussion here some months ago about this very thing as it seems that VLC sometimes does this too depending on the source. But 59.97 fps DVD is not supported. A tool like the free version of the Tecoltd Bitrate Viewer (get it under our Tools section) can be used to open one of your VOBs and it will tell you the true fields per second if you still have doubts. Note that you may need to rip the DVD to your hard drive first. I don't claim to be an expert on frame rates but I don't think old standard definition tube TVs were capable of displaying video at 59.97 fps anyway and DVDs were designed for standard definition TVs.

[manono]

Where did I say I was unwilling to upload any samples?

My mistake and I apologize. I mistook you for someone else who claimed that uploading samples was forbidden.

And as jman98 says, this is something peculiar to VLC player. Check a VOB in the Tecolt BitrateViewer, in ReStream, GSpot (which is particularly good at this), MediaInfo, or a host of other apps and you'll quickly see the error of your ways. Your DVD is no different from any other in that it outputs interlaced 29.97 frames per second. What VLC player may do with that is something else entirely.

Sure I could upload loads of samples if you wish...

Then please do. One will be plenty.

...but I dont care to know whats going on.

OK then. Be happy in your ignorance.

[jagabo]

Are you blind man?! It's not an idiot claim. its fact just look at the screenshot.

VLC is telling you what frame rate it is playing the video at, not what the frame rate of the source is. The source is 29.97 frames per second with two fields per frame, 59.94 fields per second. Progressive computer monitors can't display interlaced video. So VLC is converting each field to a frame. So the 59.94 fields per second of the DVD is being converted to 59.94 frames per second by VLC.

[Jason149]

@Hech54 @jagabo Thanks for info. Was never aware of fields per second and did seem odd that a normal dvd would be running at that high a frame rate. I did throw the dvd into mediainfo and showed 29 fps. Thanks for clearing that up.