Canon Elura - Tape capture between models doesn't work Help?

[jbrajuka]

I have an Elura 65 which the firewire burnt out on recently, and a Elura 60 that I bought used with a working firewire port.

I am trying to capture video to my PC using tapes created on the 65 but playing them back on the 60.

I cannot get any video capture to work.

I know capture does work on the 60 because I have a tape from the person who sold it to me, and I can capture the video off the tape no problem. It is only when I put a recorded tape from the 65 into the 60 I cannot capture it, yet it plays back on the Elura 60 view screen. I have tried a few tapes and none work.

The 60, 65 and 70 are in the same family of camcorders, why wouldn't a tape capture work?

[edDV]

It should. MiniDV tape is standard between models.

The only variables are 4:3 aspect ratio vs wide 16:9 and 16bit 48KHz stereo vs 12 bit 32KHz 4 channel audio. Any player should play any format.

One pitfall is LP mode recording. LP is intended to be played only on the recording camcorder.

[aedipuss]

if the tape plays it should also be sent out over the firewire at the same time. try winDV to capture.

are they the same recording system? both NTSC? a pal/NTSC mix might not work.

[lenti_75]

I use Elura 40 to capture tapes recorded with GL2.
Looks like either software or camera problem.

[jbrajuka]

Thanks for the replies. I agree with all of you that it should work.

My tapes are not recorded in long play, and only in 4:3 mode.

I have tried using WinDV and Adobe Premiere Pro. In WinDV, I can see the video in the program viewer, but I cannot save anything. With Adobe, I only see a black screen. With both, I can control the camcorder playback through the program.

Using MediaInfo, this is the information captured in a file, for one of my movies I cannot transfer.

General
Complete name : D:\Video Capture\2010\Untitled Clip 01. 1.AVI
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format_Commercial_IfAny : DV
File size : 126 KiB
Video
ID : 0
Format : DV
Codec ID : dvsd
Codec ID/Hint : Sony
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 3:2
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Audio
ID : 1
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 024 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz




Below is the mediainfo from a tape that I can transfer.

General
Complete name : D:\Video Capture\2010\Untitled Clip 01. 2.AVI
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format_Commercial_IfAny : DVCPRO
File size : 41.0 MiB
Duration : 11s 512ms
Overall bit rate : 29.9 Mbps
Recorded date : 2009-02-02 09:42:58
Video
ID : 0
Format : DV
Format_Commercial_IfAny : DVCPRO
Codec ID : dvsd
Codec ID/Hint : Sony
Duration : 11s 512ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
Stream size : 39.5 MiB (96%)
Encoding settings : wb mode= / white balance= / fcm=auto focus
Audio
ID : 1
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 11s 512ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 024 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 1.41 MiB (3%)
Interleave, duration : 67 ms (1.99 video frames)

[jbrajuka]

After searching the net, I found a tip that did the trick.

Since the problem appeared to be with the camera itself, someone had suggested in another thread to fast forward the tape to the end, and then rewind to the point where I wanted to capture. This worked. Sometimes the same problem would occur if I stopped the capture and then tried again, but FFWD and then rewind corrected the problem.