LiteOn Recordings Compatibility Question

[jeanpave]

Hi.

Does anybody know a Philips recorder that can recognize discs recorded (only) partially with a LiteOn recorder? (more specifically, LiteOn LVW-5005)

I'm only asking because I had (well, still have, actually, but it's worthless now) a LiteOn LVW-5005 DVD recorder which makes awful noises whenever I put in a disc and very often fails to finalize said discs. I'm going to have to throw it away, I know that.
But I'm not going to buy another LiteOn! No, sir! I would try my luck with a Philips, though, if it can finalize my recordings.
(From what I know, Philips makes LiteOn's drives, too, no?)
Can anybody give me some advice, please?

Thank you very much. I'm anxiously awaiting for a reply.

Cheers!

[Krispy Kritter]

The only way to know for sure, would be to take one of the discs with you to the store and test.

[usually_quiet]

The awful noises may be caused by a dirty spindle in the DVD drive, which is usually not difficult to remedy. Try cleaning the spindle, or try lightly moistening the the disk hub with a damp finger.

Here's a thread containing links about cleaning the spindle. https://forum.videohelp.com/topic346729.html

Another possible problem is that the disks are scratched, or have other marks on them. Take a look and clean the disks if you see some spots on them.

If cleaning doesn't help and the drive has gone bad, some have reported that they were able to replace the DVD drive on this model with a Lite-On PC IDE drive. Your Lite-On may be worth fixing, even though it doesn't have an ATSC/QAM tuner. I believe it may be immune to the recent copy-protection issues that plague some newer recorders when recording TV.

[RiteOn]

Do your best to replace the drive...it's cheap, and the deck itself is an UNSTOPPABLE BEAST (if hacked properly for "perks")...I love mine, and with a newer drive (I have stated before that the drive that comes with the unit looks like a plastic toy when removed) I have enjoyed the unit again.

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[jeanpave]

Hey.

Thanks a lot for the replies.

I did read the posts you suggested, but I still don't understand some of the terms. What is the "spindle"? (I only encountered this term previously when one was talking about a bunch of DVDs put together in a case.) And which are the "hubs"? I understand that I have to open the recorder, but do I also have to open the drive that deals with the discs? Maybe I need a guide really designed "for dummies"...

Usually_Quiet: What "recent copy-protection issues that plague some newer recorders when recording TV"? Can you, please, elaborate on that? (Are you, perhaps, referring to those British television stations that use Macrovision in their broadcasts?)

[usually_quiet]

The hub is the non-recordable area around the hole in the DVD. The spindle holds the hub when the DVD is inside the drive. I think some of the links in the post I referenced had their own links to pictures of the the parts of the drive that should be cleaned.

In the US, we've recently seen reports of copy protection flags in showing up in broadcast network programs or in commecials, where one would not expect them to be. (One might expect to see them used here for premium content, like HBO or pay per view.) These interfere with recording for newer DVD recorders. With new recorders, recording of materials flagged as "copy once" is allowed (when using particular types of media, plus the VR recording mode) but further copying is prevented. There's a "copy never" flag too, that prevents all recording.

Some older LiteOn recorders reportedly did not respond to these flags, but all recorders currently sold here do. If you are in Canada, I don't know what has happened with respect to copy protection of TV programming, but I expect something will show up at some point. I know nothing about what may be happening in Mexico.

[TimA-C]

I've got a couple of Liteon 5006b recorders and have changed the drives in them a few times. Sadly it's getting harder and harder to find drives that work properly in them. (Often the recorder locks up when you try to use FF or REW).

I seem to remember that Nero 6.?? was able to see and rip unfinalised disks recorded on Liteon 500? machines.

There used to be a lot of information, including a list of suitable drive replacements, at the Liteon users Forum (http://ccgi.mgillespie.plus.com/liteon/smf/index.php?board=31.0). You have to join the forum before you can access it and I haven't been a regular visitor there for quite a while, so things may have changed a bit.

Good luck.

[jeanpave]

Hi.

Thank you very much, TimA-C.
I joined that forum, and I saw what must be done.

I hope it's okay if I paste the post, from that forum, that deals with replacing the drives. (Perhaps other people might want to see it in the future, just like I did.) It belongs to somebody going by the name "easyrider".
"After lots of hunting I hope to share some of my research on aceptable replacement drives burners(loaders) for liteon units 5000 series..
Since they all go bad in time ...I found the following Sony Models pc burner drives to work great...dru-Q120a DRU-120c and DRU 800A....
Also Liteon pc burner Model SHW 1693S, SHW 160HPS ,SHW165H6S i am sure more models work,,,All of these thoughly tested.
I found attaching hard drive brackets to the drive loaders(dvd burners) and laying a blank std size dvd movie case under the drive will give you perfect height to drill screws in the base [/u] of the unit to line it up..You need to open up the space around the front of were the old drive was for perfect fitmit... Then you can attched the door with a exacto knife triming it so carefull... 5001-5005-5006....Again carefully i suggest you remove the power supply and othe circiut boads from the case not to damage during instaltion just trace them with a marker first ...Thus you know how much space you have...
Each model may take time for fitment.. you can tell you i changed the drive in my two machines and ..I done a few for freinds its time consuming but not real hard...
Ebay is the place to find these if your local vendor does not carry.. plus if region issues are a problem place the burber in you pc make sure its rear jumpers by ribbon wire is set to master...once you reboot your pc your good to select your region just put in a dvd in it and hit play.. Cheers easyrider"

However, I don't think I can do that successfully. I'm not a wiz, when it comes to taking apart electronic machines and working inside them.

So, any version of Nero 6 can see and rip unfinalized LiteOn recordings? I'll definitely try this, thank you so much!

[LCSHG]

Jeanpave

I do not believe Phillips made any drives for liteon

Why would you want to rip a disk burned in the 5005?

The liteon 5005 is worth a drive replacement

While many posts and infot is on the ilo recorder it is a liton clone
The info is relative to the 5005 and there are guides for drives to use and there replacement

http://www.techolio.com/
and
http://www.normediasolutions.com/portfolio/

There is much incorrect info on a drive replacement and those tat will work on ALL functions Of course if FF is not used a number of drives will be recognized and operate

I have replaced 0ver 35 drives in the liteon / ilo units --- The 5005 is an easy one
Along with many liteon /ilo units I have two 5005 recorders both have liteon PC 832s drives
Any half height liteon PC drive 4x to 16x [1693s will work There are some others BUT they are older units and can be hard to find
Don’t throw it out BUT if you decide to PLEASE let me know and arrive at a price


EDIT

The liteon 160p Works OK BUT NOT on Fast Forward
If Used The unit will lock up and reguire it to be unpliged TO get it back in operation

[bevills1]

The Sony DRU-190A (rebadged LiteOn DH20A3P) is one of the easier to find drives that does not have the freeze on fast forward issue many newer LiteOns do. FYI the LiteOn DH20A3P may be cross flashed to Sony DRU-190A to eliminate freeze on fast forward if any are interested in gaining fast forward function that have that LiteOn drive. I cross flashed a LiteOn SHM-165P6S to Sony DW-G120A to gain normal fast forward function as well.

I also have an older Toshiba DVD player that will play no 5005 recordings unless bit set to DVD-ROM book type. I used to have to make 5005 recording copies on a PC to bit set, but I used the Book Type Utility to bit set +R media to DVD-ROM for my burner replacement to eliminate the extra recording step. This utility may be used on all LiteOns and Sony LiteOn rebadges newer than 1693, and the Omni-Patcher would have to be used on 1693 and older LiteOn models to gain the bit set advantage.

[oldfart13]

Have you tried the LG GSA-H22L as a replacement burner? In the Daytek 950-S, it works flawlessly, including fast forward and reverse scan modes. It is an 18X drive and should be still available. I'll pull my 5001 later tonight and check to see if it works in that.

[oldfart13]

Tested successfully in a Liteon 5001 with no freezing at 16X forward and reverse scan. Seemed a bit slow on preparing the Verbatim 16X MIT discs I use but that worked as well. Add another to the list of replacement drives you can use. Make sure it's the GSA-H22L. I haven't tested with the newer GH22L as of yet....

[oldfart13]

LG GH22 is a no go. Doesn't want to initialize discs and skips or freezes on fast forward or reverse scan greater than 4X. Stick with the GSA-H22L if you can find one.

[jeanpave]

Hey again. (And sorry for the late reply.)

Usually_quiet, thank you very much for explaining what the hub and spindle are. And I apologize for not noticing your prompt reply before.

TimA-C, thanks again for suggesting Nero, man! I have recovered all the recordings that the LiteOn couldn't finalize, with Nero 8 in 'DVD Copy' mode. I would have never guessed Nero could do that!...

Everybody who suggested drive replacements, thanks a million to all of you!
I will search for those drives on eBay, see if I can afford them.

[TimA-C]

Glad to have been of help, jeanpave. It really isn't difficult changing drives. The hardest part (well, on the 5006b) is getting the front panel of the recorder attached to the disc tray of the new drive and making sure that the front panel opens & closes smoothly. (A sharp craft knife and a small file/fine sandpaper will soon take care of that.)

[jeanpave]

Well, although I got a few cuts trying to see if I can fix this piece-of-crap drive the LiteOn has inside now, I think I'll follow your advice and buy a replacement drive.

I'll go for the Sony DRU-190A. With delivery, and everything, I can get it for around 70 bucks.
Bevills1, I trust you, man! Thanks for the suggestion.

[tac7]

Well, although I got a few cuts trying to see if I can fix this piece-of-crap drive the LiteOn has inside now, I think I'll follow your advice and buy a replacement drive.

I'll go for the Sony DRU-190A. With delivery, and everything, I can get it for around 70 bucks.
Bevills1, I trust you, man! Thanks for the suggestion.

If you don't want to spend that much money, you should be able to find a compatible DVD burner for half that amount or less, without having to go through mail order. I just popped in a Philips 20x SPD2413BD a few months ago in my LiteOn 5005 at a cost of $29 + tax (CDN). Works perfect and no issues with FF. Hard to say whether the Sony mentioned by Bevills1 might last longer though. I find most of these replacement burners only last about a year with moderate to heavy use.

[oldfart13]

That Philips is actually made by Liteon. The Source (Radio Shack) has them on special for $50 but never seems to drop their price even though they are listed as "clearance". Where did you pick up yours?

[tac7]

That Philips is actually made by Liteon. The Source (Radio Shack) has them on special for $50 but never seems to drop their price even though they are listed as "clearance". Where did you pick up yours?

I bought it at "The Source" in October 2007 for $29.99. *Regular price was around $79 then. *I didn't need it at the time, but bought it in case any of my computer burners or the one in the LiteOn were to die. *I replaced the original burner in the LiteOn with an AOpen burner early 2007, and last summer that one quit, so I replaced it with that Philips.* An LG burner from a computer that I tried in the LiteOn didn't work.
Last month I was at TigerDirect and picked up a 20x HP burner DVD1035i for $30.99 + tax. (It does DL discs like the Philips). *I'm keeping that one for a spare again until the next burner quits...

[oldfart13]

Tiger Direct is so far from me that picking up the burner and paying shipping would be like me going to The Source and buying one off the shelf. Just did a run around town here looking for replacement burners and the OEM and used ones from various computer stores would cost as much or more than going to FutureShop and buying a new one. The look on the salesperson's face when I told them that the OEM LG drive that they were selling for $50 was $15 higher than the brand new in box with software and cables LG from FS (that was also a newer model) says it all. Buyer beware, no?