Frameserving Womble Mpeg Video Wizard

[tmw]

Has anybody used the frameserving function from Womble Mpeg Video Wizard DVD?

I love Womble, because it doesn't re-encode my video clips, and I started with it many, many years ago. I'm working on some video where I'm using fast-speed and slow-speed shots, so in this clip 95% of the video gets re-encoded. Womble's encoder is just not too great, although I love the software.

When I adjust the options for encoding in Womble MVW from SmartFast to Maximum Quality, it literally took 7.5 hours to process 7.25 minutes of video. [I'm using an older Centrino Pentium M 1.3 Ghz laptop, so slower processing is expected, but that seems really crazy.]

The instructions talk about using TMPGEnc to process the files, but I read that HCenc seems to work better, so I'd be interested in using that if possible.

Has anyone used the Womble VFAPI process to use other encoders? Has anyone seen better performance in that manner? Can someone point me in the right direction?

[Note, my video camera captures mpeg2 video files, so that's the starting product which I normally drag directly into Womble. Also, here is a sample WVW project file, if that might help you to give me some direction, which I need. It seems to be plain text from notepad.]

Thanks!
Tim

trip%20to%20rocks.wbp

[DVWannaB]

I own Womble MVW and DVD and have never used the frameserver function. In all honesty, I didnt know it had this feature (not that I would need it). As you found out, the encoder engine in the DVD version of the product is flat out terrible. If you have success in frameserving to another encoder please let the forum know (HCEncoder recommended). Persoanlly, if I need to do any post processing on video, I use AVISynth to create a small temp file, which CCE Basic or TMPG Encoder Plus 2.5 can read and encode to my specs.

[tmw]

Can one frameserver feed another frameserver? For example, if I could get the MVW to feed Avisynth, then I could just use any encoder (e.g. HCenc) that already uses AVS scripts. Does that make any sense?

I see I have a WbpVFAPI.vfp file in the womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD folder. I'm thinking that's the frameserver file that I need to feed (along with the above wbp file) into an encoder--however, I might try to feed that to Avisynth as a first step.

Does that make any sense, or sound feasible?
Thanks.

[45tripp]

yes it is.
with avisynth:

LoadvfapiPlugin("C:\Program Files\Womble...blah\WbpVFAPI.vfp", "womble")
womble("full path\whatever.wbp")
flipvertical

tripp

[tmw]

Excellent. That works perfectly, and plays the womble project in ffplayer via the avs script.

Now I just have to read some guides on getting the avs into hcenc and it'll work.

Thanks!

[45tripp]

all that's required for hc import is the yv12 colourspace.

add:
converttoyv12
to the end of the script.

[jmp0889]

How would you call up frameserving from Womble to TMPGEnc 4.0 Express?

[tmw]

How would you call up frameserving from Womble to TMPGEnc 4.0 Express?

For TMPGEnc (hoping 4.0 is like 3.0), from Womble (http://www.womble.com/support/FAQ16.html):

You don't need any additional setup, since the VFAPI MPEG encoder support was added since the release of the March 2005 update; but you may need one manual step to enable the ".wbp" file in the TMPGEnc MPEG encoder, since the default state of the VFAPI may not be automatically selected by the TMPGEnc.
To enable the MVW project file in the TMPGEnc, please follow the steps below.

For TMPGEnc 3.0 XPress:

1. Press the "Option" menu and select "Preferences...".

2. Switch to "Input plug-in setting" page.

3. In the lower window for "VFAPI plug-in priority order", find and check the item named "MPEG Video Wizard Project Reader 1.0 Beta".

4. Press "OK" and close the Preferences window.

5. Select "Set Source", press "Add file...", and then open the "Files of type:" list, you should see the ".wbp" file extension in the "VFAPI supported file".

For TMPGEnc Plus 2.5:

1. Press the "Option" menu and select "Environmental setting...".

2. Switch to "VFAPI plug-in" page.

3. Find and check the item named "MPEG Video Wizard Project Reader 1.0 Beta".

4. Press "OK" and close the window.

5. Press the "Browse" button for the "Video source", select "MPEG Video Wizard Project File (*.wbp)" from the "Files of type:" list, and then find or enter the MVW project file name you want to export.

Thanks Tripp. I'll try that tonight.

[tmw]

Can anyone give some quick insight into how to make avisynth keep the video at 708/480 instead of moving it to 640/480?

My script thus far is:

LoadvfapiPlugin("C:\Program Files\Womble Multimedia\MPEG Video Wizard DVD\WbpVFAPI.vfp", "womble")
womble("C:\Documents and Settings\Tim\Desktop\Video Project\Trip to Safeway\Trip to Safeway.wbp")
flipvertical
converttoyv12

Thanks, and here are some stats on exporting time for a 1 minute project with 58% re-encoding:
Womble Smart Fast encoder: 5:40 (minec)
Womble Maximum Quality encoder: 32:55 (wow!)
HCenc via AVIsynth script above: 3:48 (two passes)
Womble MPEG1 audio only: 0:07 (to mux with HCenc video)
Womble mux of HCenc & mpeg1 audio: 0:08

Also, the HCenc video looks much cleaner, especially where using the title editor. It's definitely a great alternative to the internal encoder.

[tmw]

Quick guide: Would this help anyone? Should I ask to have it included as a guide for Womble Mpeg Video Wizard and Mpeg Video Wizard DVD?


steps%20to%20wmv%20encoding%20in%20hcenc.pdf

[DVWannaB]

Can anyone give some quick insight into how to make avisynth keep the video at 708/480 instead of moving it to 640/480?

My script thus far is:

LoadvfapiPlugin("C:\Program Files\Womble Multimedia\MPEG Video Wizard DVD\WbpVFAPI.vfp", "womble")
womble("C:\Documents and Settings\Tim\Desktop\Video Project\Trip to Safeway\Trip to Safeway.wbp")
flipvertical
converttoyv12

Thanks, and here are some stats on exporting time for a 1 minute project with 58% re-encoding:
Womble Smart Fast encoder: 5:40 (minec)
Womble Maximum Quality encoder: 32:55 (wow!)
HCenc via AVIsynth script above: 3:48 (two passes)
Womble MPEG1 audio only: 0:07 (to mux with HCenc video)
Womble mux of HCenc & mpeg1 audio: 0:08

Also, the HCenc video looks much cleaner, especially where using the title editor. It's definitely a great alternative to the internal encoder.

See here:

LoadvfapiPlugin("C:\Program Files\Womble Multimedia\MPEG Video Wizard DVD\WbpVFAPI.vfp", "womble")
womble("C:\Documents and Settings\Tim\Desktop\Video Project\Trip to Safeway\Trip to Safeway.wbp")
flipvertical
Lancszosresize(704,480)
converttoyv12

[freebird73717]

Now that is the true spirit of this forum. You come asking for help and end up writing a guide so that others can benefit. If you want to go the extra step you can submit your guide to videohelp's guide section here.

[satviewer2000]

I process a lot of DVB-MPEG2 (720p) material and used to use Womble for this task. However, with the newer versions of Womble, something has changed, and it seems to process the MPEG instead of just letting it pass through unchanged as in previous versions. When I look at the output after Womble processes it, there are multiple artifacts which were not present in the original unedited file.

When I then processed and edited the SAME MPEG2 file with VideoRedo, the final result was a perfect edited copy of the original file.

I'm not sure what has been changed in Womble, but clearly it cannot properly handle DVB-MPEG files properly anymore.

[tmw]

In Womble, before starting the export, if you click on "Details", does it show it will encode or stream copy?

See the attached pic for the example.

If it does show video encoding instead of stream copy, in the Export menu, go to the "video" tab and select the "Reference" file and hit "Select". This will update the video output specifications. Then, look at the details and all the video meeting that specification (resolution, frame rate) should be a stream copy, like with VideoRedo, instead of encoding.