Vegas 8 - Transition help

[stantheman1976]

Let's see if I can word this right. In Vegas I'm working on a project with different segments of animated text. This same prolems goes for other projects too but this one is especially a pain. When I put any kind of transition or crossfade between the different clips it will cause a small part of the previous clip to repeat. Say if the text fades in during the first part of segment A then when I put a transition between segmetns A and B the some of the initial fade in on A will be shown again until it fully switches to segment A. The only "cure" I've round is strict fade in/outs on the individual segments and inserting a 1/2 second piece that contains the same background of hte segment I'm going to. Can I do anything else to remedy this?

[minidv2dvd]

i'm not sure i understand, that sounds like what a crossfade is supposed to do. in the middle of the fade the end of part a and the beginning of part b should both be visible, full frame at half intensity on top of each other. a wipe would give you a dividing line with a half frame of each with a cut line.

[stantheman1976]

This is an example. Clip A has text that fades in during the first second. At the end of clip A the text stays visible. Clip B has text that flies in from the middle of the screen. When I put a transition or crossfade in then at the beginning of clip B I see a split second of the beginning of clip A again. It does not show just the end of A and beginning of B crossing each other. It actually brings a split second of the other end of the clip to where the transition is. Does that make better sense?

[minidv2dvd]

it does and it's something i've never encountered. pretty bizarre. i use crossfades all the time in vegas and have never seen or heard of anything like it.

what type of source files are you using?

are you using the most up to date version of vegas?

[stantheman1976]

I updated a while back. This happens with any source file and I've used Vegas 6 through 8. It's not a glitch or anything I don't believe. It just seems that when the clips gets stretched by dragging it for a crossfade or when using a transition it happens. Could the "Automatic Crossdades on" option have anything to do with it?

[minidv2dvd]

do you have automatic looping turned on?

when i turn crossfades on, they are set to automatically overlap, 2 seconds, centered on cut, smooth, smooth, 0, 0. looping is off at the top of the editing preferences page.

i'd try to duplicate your problem but i'd be in trouble if it happened by mistake on a customers video project and i couldn't get it back to normal.

[stantheman1976]

Same results. I'm getting bleed over from th other end of the segments.

[guns1inger]

A clip has a finite length. If you drag it beyond this length, Vegas cause it to loop. If you look at the clip on the timeline you will see that there is a small notch at the top of the clip to show you where it is repeating from. Drag it out longer, and it will repeat several times. This is be design, and Vegas has done this for as long as I can remember.

If you are adding a transition, do not drag the clip out longer to put the transition in place. Either overlap the clips at their normal length, or add the transition by hovering the mouse at the end of the timeline until it becomes the transition cursor, and then click-dragging it back into the clip for the desired length. So long as you don't drag the actual clip to make it longer, you will not get the repeats.

[minidv2dvd]

kinda had a thought that the stretching might be the problem as gunslinger has said.

i just butt the clips together and let the automatic crossfade do the timing as per the preferences setting.

[guns1inger]

I tend to use several video tracks rather than the automatic transitions, as I like to have greater control over the timing.

[stantheman1976]

A clip has a finite length. If you drag it beyond this length, Vegas cause it to loop. If you look at the clip on the timeline you will see that there is a small notch at the top of the clip to show you where it is repeating from. Drag it out longer, and it will repeat several times. This is be design, and Vegas has done this for as long as I can remember.

If you are adding a transition, do not drag the clip out longer to put the transition in place. Either overlap the clips at their normal length, or add the transition by hovering the mouse at the end of the timeline until it becomes the transition cursor, and then click-dragging it back into the clip for the desired length. So long as you don't drag the actual clip to make it longer, you will not get the repeats.

When using transitions I'm not altering the length. I just drop the transition into place between the two clips. I always get the same results whether using built in transitions or manually dragging for crossdades. I understand why it happens when I drag a clip and change the length but ti should not happen during a transition when the length is not being changed.

Edit:
I noticed that it does drag the clip out when a transition is added.

[guns1inger]

How are you adding the transition ? Dropping a transition onto a clip should not alter the length of the clip at all, and up to and including version 7, it doesn't. Unless there is a major change with version 7, I don't understand how you are getting this to happen. I cannot reproduce it in 6 or 7.

[stantheman1976]

All I'm doing is dropping the transitions onto the time line between two clips. It does stretch the clip and cause it to repeat the first few frames.

[guns1inger]

Now I understand.

You have to overlap your clips first. Either on a single timeline, or by having them on different timelines (some find it easier to work on a single timeline). Make the overlap the duration of the transition, then drop the transition into the overlap area.

[stantheman1976]

I get what you're saying. This helps in a way and not so much in another. It keeps the repeat from happening but then anything that takes place in the last and first second of the two clips might not have the same impact because some of the animation gets buried during the transition. I'll probably have to stick with my original work around of putting a 1/2 second segment before and after each clip that is identical to the beginning of the clip before text appears. That way I can just drop the transition in and it will only alter the length of the two 1/2 second pieces and I still get the effect I want.

Thanks for your help. I've got this all straight in my head now.