Ripping DVD to avi 720x480 using FairUse2?

[suneo]

I just tried using FairUse2 to rip a segment of a DVD that I have into an AVI format, but it wouldn't let me choose 720x480 for output resolution. Though in the FairUse wizard it shows that the cropping region is 720x480 (actually it says 719x479), when I get to the encoding screen under the output resolution area (preferred resolutions unchecked), it only shows a max output resolution of 720x384.

Is there any way to rip to 720x480? I want it to match an avi file I already have on my hard drive (a dvd rip to x264 mkv in 720x480, I manually extracted the video to AVI in 720x480 also) so that I can work with them together to create a music video using scenes from both. I don't want the aspect ratio to change from one scene to another when I'm splicing scenes together...

If it's not possible in FairUse2, could anybody suggest a simple program that will let me do it?

[guns1inger]

FairUse is compensating for the non-square pixel aspect ratio of the source and the fact that the source (at least as far FiarUse is concerned) is 16:9. If it encoded to 720 x 480 you would get stretched output.

[suneo]

If I were to splice scenes from this 720x384 video together along with the 720x480 source video that I am working with, would I have problems with aspect ratio or anything?

[manono]

If I were to splice scenes from this 720x384 video together along with the 720x480 source video that I am working with, would I have problems with aspect ratio or anything?

Well, you won't be able to splice AVIs of differing resolutions, so no AR oproblems.

I haven't ever used Fair Use, so I don't know if it's possible to keep the 720x480 resolution. It is possible using AutoGK, making sure to set the width to 720 in the Advanced Settings, and disabling the crop and resize in the Hidden Options (CTRL-F9, check "Tune AutoCrop Parameters", and set the Threshold to zero).

http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN#6

[suneo]

hmm thanks for the tip!

I tried using AutoGK this time and checked the autocrop parameters and set threshold to 0, while setting width to fixed at 720. AutoGK sees the source as 720x480 letterboxed 16:9, but when all is said and done, the outputted avi came out to 720x416?

Also, I use Media Player Classic as my media player, and whenever I open a video file, the window will automatically resize to fit the resolution of the file. However, when I open the 720x416 video, and then open the 720x480 video that I have, the 720x480 is clearly bigger (the window is larger both width and height wise). I can understand the height changing window size, but the width too? They are both supposed to be 720....soooo....I don't quite get it lol.

[guns1inger]

You obviously have two sources - are they both from 16:9 material ?
If one is letterboxed, it will play back at 720 x 480, and will have the black bars. The one that is 16:9 will play back wider, because the pixels are wider.

[suneo]

hmm yes as far as I know they are both 16:9 material.

When I play the actual dvd of the video I want to rip, and compare the window size to the 720x480 file I am working from, they are both the same window size. Also there are no black bars anywhere on either video(not letterboxed or ...column boxed?)...


Here is what I'm talking about. They are both frame width 720 (according to windows), but one window is clearly larger both width and height-wise than the other by what looks like a rather wide margin. The upper left information box shows the smaller window to be 720x416 resolution, while the lower right box shows the larger window to be 720x480 res.




When I play the 720x480 video on my 16:9 tv it fits the screen perfectly with no black bars, but when I play the 720x416 video, it leaves small black bars on the left and right side. Again I want to note that the original DVD from which I'm trying to rip from will fill the screen exactly.

[guns1inger]

Post a g-spot shot of one of the VOBs form the DVD, the 720 x 480 avi, and the 720 x 416 avi.

[suneo]

Sure thing...here they are. I guess maybe I was a little misinformed about the 720x480 avi file I had. Where the VOB says 16:9 for "dar", the 720x480 file says 3:2... However they still show up as the same size window and both fit the 16:9 screen perfectly. Lol sorry about the noobness on my part. I only see what's on the surface. The 720x480 avi file was extracted from a MKV file using MKVextract, so that I could work with it in Premiere.

Here's the gspot for the VOB file:



Here's the gspot for the 720x480 avi file (It does not show any information for audio because I opted not to extract it from the MKV since I will not be using any of the original audio in my project):



And here's the gspot for the 720x416 file that I tried to rip from the VOB:

[manono]

outputted avi came out to 720x416?

My fault entirely, and I apologize for wasting your time. My instructions were incomplete. It still resizes, if you follow my instructions.

In addition to the things I mentioned earlier, in the lower left of the Hidden Options section, in the "aspect" area, check the "Override Input AR" box and tick "Original". That way it'll keep the original 1.5:1 AR. Again, I apologize.

[suneo]

No worries! Cool that seems to have worked with the resolution problem! It's being ripped to a 720x480 file now! Though the video itself still seems to be in a 4:3 or 5:4 ratio or one of those "square" looking AR (I don't know exactly) surrounded by black bars on left and right (the people looked squished slightly), at least the file itself is 720x480 (and more importantly the same size window as the other files I'm working with. I'm only eyeballing these things lol).

That can be corrected though while I'm making the vid since in Premiere I'm able to interpret the video as a 16:9 widescreen format, so it fills in the entire 720x480 nicely

Thanks for the help! This will do just fine lol
I'm still befuddled as to how to rip into a full 720x480 widescreen format though. Though my problem is taken care of for the moment, it might be worth knowing how to do it properly lol.


-edit-
For some odd reason I don't know if it's because of the codec or an odd result from the method of ripping the movie file, but in Premiere the preview for this video is quite choppy compared to the other file I'm working with (900mb h264 avi). However it's just in the preview, since when I export a clip from the ripped movie all seems well.

I've also noticed that the xvid avi isn't as sharp as the h264 avi (actually there is quite a big difference in clarity that I can make out) though I guess this was too be expected? Maybe it won't be too noticeable when I cut in scenes from both files together lol. I suppose maybe my next task is to figure out how to rip from DVD to h264 lol...

[guns1inger]

The Xvid would have to have twice the bitrate of the H264 video to be of similar quality, assuming the source quality was equal to begin with.

Your other issue is that you are combining 25 fps source with 23.976 fps source. I assume you will be outputting 23.976 fps at the end of the project, which is likely to make the H264 suffer from either blending or jerkiness. This also explains why you were getting 416 lines when you first ripped, and why your video now looks 'squished'. 720 x 480 is correct for PAL source. Your NTSC will have naturally fewer lines when correctly ripped. What you should do is rip with a correct aspect ratio, then match the sizes in your editor, or locate sources with the same format.