Can you make a 4.7 GB DVD-R actually fit 4.7 GB

[kiches]

I tried burning some video files, and the total size for all the files was around 4.45 GB, and I wanted to burn them all on a regular 4.7 GB DVD-R or DVD+R, but it says that I don't have enough room. Is there anyway I can fit all 4.45 GB on the discs?

[jimmalenko]

4.7GB = 4.38GB.

Long story short - media companies / salesmen and women claim that 1GB = 1000 MB, 1MB = 1000KB and 1KB = 1000B. Of course we all know that 1GB = 1024 MB, 1MB = 1024KB and 1KB = 1024B.

So, 4.7GB = 4,700,000,000B according to the companies.

But really, 4,700,000,000 / 1024 / 1024 /1024 = 4.377GB

So no, you won't be able to fit all 4.45GB in its current form. You will need to either lower the bitrate of your audio and / or lower the bitrate of your video and / or edit one or more clips, and across all files you should be able to squeeze out the extra 70-100MB or so that you need.

[Cornucopia]

The often quoted "4.7GB" size of a single layer DVD is a misrepresentation, because they are counting 1GB = 1000MB = 1 000 000 KB = 1 000 000 000 Bytes, while just about ALL computer counting (INCLUDING filesize and disc capacity limitations) is done:
1GB = 1024MB = 1 048 576 KB = 1 073 741 824 Bytes.

So what you REALLY have available is 4.37GB. So 4.45 will always be too big for single layer.

You must either burn dual layer discs, split the program in 2, or recompress to a lower bitrate (and thus, filesize).

Scott

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edit: jimmalenko beat me to it again!

[kiches]

I see, thanks.

[Matt D]

I really wish that people that don't know the answer would just not post. The flipping label tells how many BYTES the disc will hold. It "claims" that the disc will hold 4.7 Billion (or giga) BYTES, and guess what THEY DO.
The problem is that dumb people think that 1GB (in computer terms)=1000000000 Bytes, which it doesn't, so they THINK that the disc manufacturer is lying or that there is some weird difference in conversion. There isn't, the packaging is 100% correct, you're just too stupid to understand.

[redwudz]

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[AlanHK]

The problem is that dumb people think that 1GB (in computer terms)=1000000000 Bytes, which it doesn't, so they THINK that the disc manufacturer is lying or that there is some weird difference in conversion. There isn't, the packaging is 100% correct, you're just too stupid to understand.

The problem is that many apps report sizes in binary gig and meg, and many hardware merchants describe it using decimal. It's not dumb not to realise this.

I'd been wanting to burn a 720 MB ISO for a while, but only had 80 minute CDRs labelled "700 MB". Then in a media shop looking for some larger ones I found some other 80 minute CDRs labelled "730 MB". Then it clicked. A real duh moment. I'd been cursing the idiots who made the ISO oversized till then.

I tried burning some video files, and the total size for all the files was around 4.45 GB, and I wanted to burn them all on a regular 4.7 GB DVD-R or DVD+R, but it says that I don't have enough room. Is there anyway I can fit all 4.45 GB on the discs?

Is it the size of the VIDEO_TS folder that's 4.45 GB, or the source video and audio? Because I find the muxing overhead for my DVDs is about 120 MB -- i.e that's how much bigger the VIDEO_TS folder is than my folder of m2v and mpa files is.

Anyway, to make it fit you can use ReJig to recompress the MPEG video a few percent. There is a small loss of quality. I'm pretty sure DVDShrink does this too, but I haven't used that.

[jimmalenko]

I really wish that people that don't know the answer would just not post. The flipping label tells how many BYTES the disc will hold. It "claims" that the disc will hold 4.7 Billion (or giga) BYTES, and guess what THEY DO.
The problem is that dumb people think that 1GB (in computer terms)=1000000000 Bytes, which it doesn't, so they THINK that the disc manufacturer is lying or that there is some weird difference in conversion. There isn't, the packaging is 100% correct, you're just too stupid to understand.

You bumped a post that that had been comprehensively answered (twice) for that ?

Think of seamen referring to a distance as "8 miles". Now is that 8 statute miles (12.8km) or is that 8 nautical miles (14.7km) ?

[Matt D]

Uh, you "comprehensively answered" it WRONG. "Media Companies" and "salesman / women" DON'T "claim that 1GB = 1000 MB". They do however "claim" that those discs will hold 47000000000 BYTES of data, and they DO. A byte is a byte is a byte, and THAT'S how the size of the disc is measured.
So, there's no weird conversion needed, there's no lying or misleading going on. It's the GOOFS who think that they are not getting the full capacity that are the problem.

[AlanHK]

Uh, you "comprehensively answered" it WRONG. "Media Companies" and "salesman / women" DON'T "claim that 1GB = 1000 MB". They do however "claim" that those discs will hold 47000000000 BYTES of data, and they DO.

I just looked at three different brands of DVDRs. All said capacity "4.7 GB". None said "47000000000 BYTES". Or for that matter, "4700000000 BYTES". (And does being out by a factor of 10 make you "comprehensively wrong"? Or are these Blueray discs?)

[MOVIEGEEK]

Uh, you "comprehensively answered" it WRONG. "Media Companies" and "salesman / women" DON'T "claim that 1GB = 1000 MB". They do however "claim" that those discs will hold 47000000000 BYTES of data, and they DO. A byte is a byte is a byte, and THAT'S how the size of the disc is measured.
So, there's no weird conversion needed, there's no lying or misleading going on. It's the GOOFS who think that they are not getting the full capacity that are the problem.

Wrong,there's binary and decimal:
http://www.pcguide.com/intro/fun/bindec.htm

[Matt D]

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of RETARDS. The packaging is OBVIOUSLY telling how many BYTES the discs are (that's what the B in GB MEANS MORON) using the decimal GB, and you'd know that if you have half a brain.
Take your full dvd video_ts folder that "only" holds 4.37GB and left click it and look at the BYTES. I'll bet you any amount of money that the number is really close to 4.7 billion bytes (GB) WHICH IS WHAT THE F-ING PACKAGE SAYS. The fact that the digital GB is different doesn't matter ONE F-ING BIT because a BYTE is still an f-ing byte.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Reread our rules.
/ Moderator Baldrick

[jimmalenko]

Uh, you "comprehensively answered" it WRONG. "Media Companies" and "salesman / women" DON'T "claim that 1GB = 1000 MB". They do however "claim" that those discs will hold 47000000000 BYTES of data, and they DO. A byte is a byte is a byte, and THAT'S how the size of the disc is measured.

Then why does all the packaging I've ever seen say 4.7GB, not 4,700,000,000 Bytes ?

Anyone worth their salt knows that GB is a standard unit of Base 2, and is undefined for Base 10. Therefore by using the GB unit they are implying that the measurement is also Base 2, which it is not. If it said 4,700,000,000 Bytes on the packaging then I would agree with you.

So, there's no weird conversion needed, there's no lying or misleading going on.

There is, since most softwares report using the Base 2 unit.

[Cornucopia]

...The packaging is OBVIOUSLY telling how many BYTES the discs are (that's what the B in GB MEANS MORON)...

...The fact that the digital GB is different doesn't matter ONE F-ING BIT because a BYTE is still an f-ing byte.
...

That IS what the "B" in GB means, but it's NOT what the "G" in GB means, that's the whole point.

***Note: People would respect you a lot more if you toned it down--A LOT!***

Scott

[Paul_G]

@Kitches

Use dvdshrink, the quality loss with be minimal (doubt you would notice it)

@Matt D

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of RETARDS

Do us all a favour and drop dead.