Problems with DV to DVD using CCE 2.70

[legion78]

Ok I have been having a problem that I just can't seem to get a handle on. First off I have a Sony Handycam DCR-HC21. Its NTSC and I am fairly certain its interlaced footage. I used DVIO to capture to my hardrive. I did not do any other editing or use any other programs. I plugged the type-2 avi directly into cce2.70. My first attempts I went by the book.

1.Unchecked top field first
2. Set offsetline to 1
3. Set to Alternate
4. Unchecked progressive

Authored with tsunami

I get dramatic flickering/jerkiness with any movement on the tv
I tried it on 2 diffrent tv's and 2 diffrent dvd players

Have I completely missed the boat here because I thought you were supposed to leave your DV interlaced for conversion to a mpeg-2. I have since then tried many diffrent combo's with the above settings. Honestly the dvd looks great on my computer. Its as though no matter what settings I'm giving cce it looks de-interlaced upon output. I use a codec pack..k-lite if that helps. In fact another weird thing I noticed is that the raw dv footage looks as though its been de-interlaced when played with media player classic. Only when I view it through virtual dub do I see the comb effects prevalent in interlaced footage. Any help would be much appreciated.

[legion78]

UPDATE: I took about 1 minute of footage and tried running it through cce for testing purposes. I opened it with DGIindex and output is confirmed as interlaced with mice teeth very evident. I'm completely stumped as to why this looks bad on the tv. Also why does the footage look de-interlaced when played in the simulation mode of tsunami author.

[guns1inger]

Actually, no codec pack helps, although I don't believe it is the cause of this problem. MPC deinterlaces on the fly. A number of players do this.

[legion78]

thats 1 question answered, thanx. Any ideas on the other problems?

[guns1inger]

I would try reversing the field order to see if it fixes things. You can use Restream to alter the field order of the mpeg produced by CCE. If it fixes the problem, you know you had your CCE settings wrong.

[legion78]

Update: Ok now i'm really confused. I tried setting pre-processing to de-interlace in cce. Then I used all settings compliant with progressive material. Now it plays fine on both my standalones. WTF. Someone please explain.

[Wile_E]

Offset line should be set to 0 for bottom field first material. Otherwise it crops the first line and your video will still encode as top field first.
Most DV is bottom field.

[manono]

Wile_E-

Thanks for that. It clears up some questions I had. Please check the Doom9 CCE guide here:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/cce270.htm

You're saying the guide is wrong, aren't you? And if your source is interlaced BFF, either uncheck the "Output Top Field First Stream" box, or change the Offset Line from 0 to 1, but not both at the same time, as Doom9 recommends for BFF material, and as legion78 did (perhaps upon the recommendation of that guide). Doing either, but not both at the same time, should make the output play smoothly, shouldn't it? And to make it play smoothly, and keep it BFF, do what you said in your previous post?

Personally, I always leave the default settings alone, and take care of the BFF/TFF in the AviSynth script, something legion78 should seriously consider.

[guns1inger]

I untick the TFF box and set the offset to 0 for interlaced DV and get the correct results.

[legion78]

much thanx guys!

[legion78]

I untick the TFF box and set the offset to 0 for interlaced DV and get the correct results.

Confirmed! Works fine now, that guide should be fixed.