Star Trek Movie question?

[scustalow]

When Captain Kirk Died in Generations..his last word was "Oh my"? wonder what he was saying that in reference to?..the fact he was actually dying?..or maybe seeing something ?Any thoughts?

[gadgetguy]

I think he just realized that he's actually going to die.

[teegee420]

I agree with gadgetguy. The thing that bugged me about his death was that in ST:V he said that he has always known that he would die alone. I suppose in one respect it was true because he wasn't with Spock or McCoy, but that always stuck in my craw. Picard sure came across looking like a wimp in Generations too.

[scustalow]

Do you think he died in a way...fitting a Star Ship Captain?..is there a good way to die?..I always pictured him dying in a space battle..and taking alot with him.

[AlecWest]

When Captain Kirk Died in Generations..his last word was "Oh my"? wonder what he was saying that in reference to?

I think teegee420 had it right.

I suspect he realized he'd made an error in Star Trek V - The Final Frontier. Remember the scene where Spock rescued Kirk during his fall while rock climbing at Yosemite? Afterward, McCoy asked him if he was worried about death. Kirk replied that he knew he wouldn't die ... because he knew that when he did die, he'd die alone. So, when he realized he was dying in Picard's arms, "Oh, my."

[MeDiCo_BrUjO]

Do you think he died in a way...fitting a Star Ship Captain?..is there a good way to die?..I always pictured him dying in a space battle..and taking alot with him.

I also think that Kirk's death was unworthy for a Star Ship Captain. I always wanted a glorious death for him, something that would be remembered for "generations" to come...

[gadgetguy]

Do you think he died in a way...fitting a Star Ship Captain?..is there a good way to die?..I always pictured him dying in a space battle..and taking alot with him.

I go back and forth on this. Afterall, is any death fitting for a Star Ship Captain? Or more specifically Jame T. Kirk?

You could say that he died to save a whole star system full of people, certainly a worthy action, and he died while still physically active and fighting for a cause, certainly better for a man of action, than dying after years of whithering away to half the man he used to be.

Perhaps it would have been more fitting for him to die while on the bridge of his Enterprise while he was in command. But that probably would also mean that he failed his ship and crew, since I would think that the only way for that to happen is for the Enterprise to be destroyed in the process.

Or perhaps his death should never have been recorded at all. Only his last known whereabouts as he went off to explore strange new worlds and was never heard from again.

I guess at the end of the day, I just accept what happened.

[Shadowmistress]

When ST:TNG got cancelled I started reading the paperbacks to get my "fix". Along with a long line of "episodes" for TNG, I discovered an even longer one for TOS with a few books crossing over and blending the two series much like the movie Generations did. (They have DS9, Voyager, and I'm sure there must be some Enterprise books out by now.)

Anyway, the funny thing about the books was that Kirk kept dying at the end of one book and being brought back to life in the next one. The borg supposedly clone him, someone goes back in time and snatches him before his death, he wasn't really dead but just in stasis, etc. (I can't even really remember them now there were so many) but lame explanations like that. The stories were pretty good, but it got to the point where it seemed like Kirk would never die. Then I paid attention to the authors more carefully and realized it was Shatner himself writing most of them. It was like a running joke that each Shatner book would contain Kirk being resurrected and then killed, like Shatner was obsessed with keeping Kirk alive. (Kind of pathetic actually.)

When I saw his death in Generations I wasn't surprised. I'm sure his next novel was about to hit shelves soon and he didn't want to overdramatize his death in the movie.



By the way, my favorite book was "Q-Squared" by Peter David. There is a child Q in it who runs around really messing up the universe and it's funny as all hell. It's off the wall like hitchikers guide to the galaxy.

[teegee420]

Do you think he died in a way...fitting a Star Ship Captain?..is there a good way to die?..I always pictured him dying in a space battle..and taking alot with him.

I also think that Kirk's death was unworthy for a Star Ship Captain. I always wanted a glorious death for him, something that would be remembered for "generations" to come...

Nicely put.

[AlecWest]

Do you think he died in a way...fitting a Star Ship Captain?..is there a good way to die?..I always pictured him dying in a space battle..and taking alot with him.

I also think that Kirk's death was unworthy for a Star Ship Captain. I always wanted a glorious death for him, something that would be remembered for "generations" to come...

Nicely put.

I wanted to see a "make believe" death for him. Remember what the Klingon ambassador said at the beginning of Star Trek IV, "There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives." In Star Trek VI, I wanted to see him issue a space-battle challenge to his accuser at the trial - rather than go to the penal colony. This is something any Klingon would like ... and Kirk's accuser couldn't very well back down from a human challenge unless he wanted to lose face.

Kirk would fight the Klingon, the Klingon would win by blowing Kirk's ship out of space ... but seconds before that, Scotty beams him aboard a small private spacecraft ... where they intend to spend their remaining years going where no man has gone before. With Kirk "dead," peace with the Klingons would have been assured ... especially in light of the mining accident.

Rather than see Kirk die, I'd rather have seen him warp off into the sunset as it were.

[scustalow]

I agree I would rather see him die with some dignity rather than a old withered man..just a shell of the once great Captain James T. Kirk..In Generations I think Spock should have been with him, to me that would have been much better company than Captain Picard..Don't get me wrong I like Captain Picard but he was from a different time....I still can't believe he died..In my mind I thought he was as close to being Imortal as there could be...I would like to think that he is still on the Bridge Of the Enterprise NCC1701 .having a crew who pledges undying loyalty and devotion...that my friends is the way I want to remember him...

[teegee420]

All I can say is thank God for Denny Crane!

[gll99]

I think his death never happened. He is still in the Nexus. Everything he dreams happens there. He wants the girl. He gets her. He wants his horse. He gets it. He wants to make difference as he once did as a younger man. He gets that too.

Oh my! was when he realised that he had never left the Nexus.

Well I can think that if I want to. :P It's as good as any other explanation.

At the end of the movie before the credits, they should have quickly rolled back film to that "Oh my" point and they should have had him loop back to the first tv episode as a young man on the bridge of the enterprise as though he was caught in a repeating time loop like they did in one of the TNG episodes where Enterprise was destroyed crashing with another ship caught in the same loop until they found a way to break the pattern. That would have solved the problem of his death and left hope that one day he would break the loop before getting critically injured. Kirk on the bridge as a younger captain with Spock and the rest of the original crew looking out in space as the credits rolled with Bill Shatner doing a voiceover similar to what he said when spock dies about there always being possibilities... would have been a powerful ending. There is lots of old footage around to compose this scene.
I just didn't like his death scene. It wasn't open ended enough. There should have been more hope and possibilities , a greater mystery for James T Kirk fans.

I would like them to do one more movie and correct this serious mistake in the Star Trek legend while they still can.

[adam]

Anyone watch the Shatner roast last night?

"I must confess I never watched much Star Trek. I preferred to do weird things like play football, baseball, and chase girls."

"Shatner you overact more than Betty White's blatter."

[gll99]

@Adam

My wife saw a plug for the show but couldn't remember which channel or time. I scanned the paper guides and looked on tv through the hundreds of channels and times and couldn't find any mention of it. The cable search engine is useless unless you know the first letter of the first name of the show.

I was going to check it online and got distracted by life

I agree with football and girls but in my case they didn't run too hard. One even ran at me and caught me
Played a bit of softball that was big in my area.

[Bodyslide]

When the Roast will be on Comedy Central Again:
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_schedule/index.jhtml?seriesId=21005

Aug 22 2006
12:00 AM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Saturday Aug 26 2006
12:00 AM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Sunday Aug 27 2006
11:30 PM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Monday Sep 04 2006
10:00 PM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

[adam]

The roasts are consistently funny. The Pamela Anderson one was classic and I think most people don't even care that much about her.

"I'm proud of my friend Courtney Love getting up here and doing stand-up comedy. I knew she could do comedy but I had no idea she stand up."

[teegee420]

I like when they're aired uncensored. They usually do so within a couple of weeks of the original air date, but it doesn't appear like that's going to happen for this one.

[pantsonfire]

He knew he was going to die.

[teegee420]

When the Roast will be on Comedy Central Again:
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_schedule/index.jhtml?seriesId=21005

Aug 22 2006
12:00 AM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Saturday Aug 26 2006
12:00 AM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Sunday Aug 27 2006
11:30 PM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Monday Sep 04 2006
10:00 PM The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner The Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner (Special)

Just got done watching it. Funny shit, man. I think it's the best one yet.

[AlecWest]

Just got done watching it. Funny shit, man. I think it's the best one yet.

I captured it. Out of 1 hour 30 minutes, 26 minutes were commercial time. But, I edited out the commercials and ended up with a 1 hour 4 minute MPEG2 which burned nicely to a DVD.

One curiosity, though. I don't watch Comedy Central that often. But, I was under the impression that late-night shows like the roast were uncensored. While there were a few colorful expressions that got through, there were a lot of bleep-outs, too. I could figure out what most of them were ... but it kind of ticks me off that they'd show a program out of primetime, precede it with an MA warning, and then still use bleeps.

[teegee420]

Just got done watching it. Funny shit, man. I think it's the best one yet.

I captured it. Out of 1 hour 30 minutes, 26 minutes were commercial time. But, I edited out the commercials and ended up with a 1 hour 4 minute MPEG2 which burned nicely to a DVD.

One curiosity, though. I don't watch Comedy Central that often. But, I was under the impression that late-night shows like the roast were uncensored. While there were a few colorful expressions that got through, there were a lot of bleep-outs, too. I could figure out what most of them were ... but it kind of ticks me off that they'd show a program out of primetime, precede it with an MA warning, and then still use bleeps.

I capped it and edited out the commercials just as you did. I think I'll burn it to disc so one my uncles can check it out. As for the show airing uncensored, they only do that once in a while on Saturday nights at 1:00am. It's not currently scheduled but I expect it to air in its full glory sometime soon. I'll keep my eyes open.