Disc region code in DVDFab Decrypter

[Ennio]

Hi everybody,

Just wondering. I'm using DVDFab Decrypter for a while now. I just don't understand something. In the settings, it says: "To remove RCE, specify the disc's region code:"

Why do you have to set this manually? Of course I don't mind, but when the dvd is scanned, the regioncode can be obtained automatically, my guess. Or am I missing something?

cheers & Merry X-mas to you all

[GKar]

Whenever I use DVDShrink, DVD Decrypter or DVDFab Decrypter it asks for region. I guess its normal...too bad it just doesn't use whats set in the DVD drives firmware.

[Ennio]

Whenever I use DVDShrink, DVD Decrypter or DVDFab Decrypter it asks for region.

I think you mean the dvd-drive's region setting? I flashed my Pioneer drives with "region-free" firmware so I don't have (drive's) region issues anymore.

In my post I referred to the disc region that you manually have to set in DVDFab Decrypter.

cheers

[guns1inger]

CSS protect works by the player looking at the region on the disk and deciding whether or not it can play it. RCE works the other way - the disk looks at the region of the player and it if doesn't match, refuses to play. This was an attempt to stop people using region free players importing disks. Even region free settop players have a region, it is just that they don't care what region the disk is. Setting the RCE region on the backup to match your settop player is meant to make it see your player as friendly. So if your player is region 1, set the disk to region 1.

[Ennio]

. . . RCE works the other way - the disk looks at the region of the player and it if doesn't match, refuses to play. . . Setting the RCE region on the backup to match your settop player is meant to make it see your player as friendly. . .

I don't get this. Sorry if this sounds stupid, but isn't the "RCE removal" in DVDFab Decrypter meant to be able to create a region-free back-up in the 1st place? So it'll play in any player, no matter what rc that is?

cheers

[thevoelk]

CSS is the encryption (if it's even considered that anymre) that prevents (or protects in the MPAA's eyes) the disc from being explored in Windows, I guess Mac/Linux also (don't use Linux for AV, not too familiar with Macs). RCE is the region coding. Your player is supposed to play: No Region discs (region set to 0), All Region discs (Regions 1 through 8) nad the region your player is set to (I think 2 in your case). I get the same message when I use my region free drives, but I don't when I use a region coded one. In my case, and probably many others, I have Auto-Reset firmware that resets the region code to a state where it's never been set, as if it was just pulled out of the box. I may be wrong, but I'm assuming that (again in my case) that the message comes more from a lack of a region code being set than it being region free.

Also, I don't believe you can really set a region code on a DVDR. If I remember reading right, the region code is set in the same area that CSS is, which is in an area of the discthat can't be burned. I think you can logically set the code to help with some players that don't like no-region discs. Hope this helps.

[guns1inger]

RCE isn't region coding, it is a check against the region code in the player. The RCE removal in DVD Fab Decrypter (and DVD Decrypter) seems to just set the RCE check to match against the player, although I don't know if it really does anything. My last player had an internal region set to 3, even though it was sold in region 4 as a multi-zone player. Disks that I backedup set to region 3 (to match the player) play quite happily on my new player, which is internally set to R4.

You can write a region code to a writable disk, however it is questionable how much effect it will have. There are two points a region can be written to. One is in the closed off sectors that cannot be burned by a PC burner, the other is within the structure of the DVD itself. Some players will check only the closed off area, so anything written outside this is ignored. Some will check both and use the one it finds.

[Ennio]

Thanks for your comments, guys.

Now, wanna try something out. I have several RCE 1 movie dvd's. But they are dual layer. Is there a way to create a "RCE1 single layer dvdr" from it?

cheers

[guns1inger]

Yes, but you would have to compress the crap out of it, or remove some of the extras. Either way, you haven't actually changed the structure of the DVD, so I don't know what you would be proving.

You could also use shrink in reauthor mode to do a movie only SL disk, which would create a new DVD structure, and kill the RCE issue altogether.

[Ennio]

I just want to experiment with this RCE thing.

I'm afraid when I rip my original USA movie dvd and shrink it, RCE will be lost in the process . . . Can you tell me how to create a SL dvdr out of a DL RCE dvd, keeping the RCE?

Thanks guns1inger

[guns1inger]

Shrinking the disk doesn't change the structure, only reduces the size. Same with removing extras using vobblanker. They structure doesn't change, it's just that larger things get replaced by smaller ones. If there was still any real RCE after the ripping process, it will still be there after shrink, so long as you don't use reauthor mode.

[Ennio]

When you create a back-up with DVD Shrink you set several region codes, or region free. I wonder if that will keep RCE (if any remained after rip).

Have to check out vobblanker still.

BTW tried ripping an RCE disc with "unticking RC & RCE protection removal" in DVD Decrypter ISO read mode. After loading the image in Daemon, DVD Decrypter states it is RCE. Don't know if this says anything, but still. hmm, will see . . .

Thanks guns1inger