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    Trying to back up my Smallville Season 4 discs and am having much problems with this software in the time it takes. Doing a 2 pass encode with CCE 2.5 and I'm coming up to 12 hours and 67.5% completion on my PIII 1GHz. This is nice software BUT you have to have a fast system (P4 2.4+GHz) plus plenty of resources (a 7.7 Gig disc should not need upwards of 25 Gig of free space to convert). I think I got used to AnyDVD and Clone DVD2 doing a standard disc for playback on my 27" TV in 1.5 hours as well as only requiring about 6 or 7 Gig of free space and ripping the content directly from the pressed disc. This is ridiculous...but I'll let it run to see exactly how much time and space it consumes...
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    On your slow machine, this sounds about right. You need about2 - 2.5 times the original DVD size in disk space (the original vobs, the intermediate encoded files, the finale disk)
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  3. When I have played with rebuilder, it took about 6-7 hours for a full disk (8gig) on a machine that is about 3 times faster that yours, so your times sound about right. Dvdshrink is much faster with comparable quality.
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    Originally Posted by nelson133
    When I have played with rebuilder, it took about 6-7 hours for a full disk (8gig) on a machine that is about 3 times faster that yours, so your times sound about right. Dvdshrink is much faster with comparable quality.
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    DVD SHRINK compared to DVD REBUILDER is like comparing apples and oranges. DVD REBUILDER may take longer to process but it wins hands down as far as video quailty. DVD SHRINK is good for fast backups but for movies that are my favorites I use DVD REBUILDER PRO.
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    Total encode time: 888 minutes...2 pass. Now about these people doing 6 pass, do they really think they can see anything better than say 3 pass? Then you have eagle eyes my friends as I cannot...

    I think I'll pass on this program until I get much faster equipment and though it's stable on machines like mine I'll be requesting the author to put in a computer requirement on his website or else those with lesser machines may be a bit disappointed...
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    It is not RB that is slow, but CCE. There are other encoders that yo ucan use that might be a little faster. But not by much. If you are satisfied with with your previous quality, thne stck with those programs. To get the quality that I get with RB on Shrink, I usually had to delete extras ans so forth. I still use Shrink for disks that are between 5 and 6.5 gig.
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  7. It comes down to personal evaluation, as I said above, I tested it by running several backups on both shrink and rebuilder and didn't see much difference a on my equipment. Nyah Levi
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    I use Shrink for things that require less than 10% reduction (in Shrink speak, 90 - 100%). After than, it is DVDRB time. Even on my 72cm CRT TV the difference between the output is very noticable.
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    I only use it on discs that are completely full of DL content and I want to copy to a single layer disc. This is not very often. Each time it's taken about 10-12 hours on average, changing to Half D1 res, using Procoder, and on a AMD 2700+ machine.
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    Originally Posted by oldfart13
    I'll be requesting the author to put in a computer requirement on his website or else those with lesser machines may be a bit disappointed...
    Yes the computer requirements would be a nice idea, but it's not really necessary. Most folks have enough common sense to use a fast machine for stuff as resource intensive as NLE video and to expect older, slower machines to underperform.
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    It's odd that many of you are getting such high RB processing times. I have an AMD 2200+ (1.8G, 1G ram), and I usually get 2.5-3.5 hours for 7.3G+ discs (2 pass).

    Sometimes I use Procoder if I care more about the quality (longer times, but much better than CCE, IMO).
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    Disc structure also plays a large part in processing time. As well as length of content. The discs I'm backing up here had 4-5 hours of content on them.
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  13. Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    Disc structure also plays a large part in processing time. As well as length of content. The discs I'm backing up here had 4-5 hours of content on them.
    I've suspected as much. For a movie only encode, CCE completes in about 1.5x total for two-pass on my machine. So three hours for a two hour movie. Plus some time for the rebuild. On the few episode discs I've done, it's taken longer, enough to notice. Run it through VobBlanker, preserving root menu, title menu, chapter menu, etc. Encode at half D1 takes at least 2x, plus rebuild. Full D1 (for picture quality comparison) was much the same, IIRC.
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    Friends, I have used Rebuilder and Rebuilder Pro for a longtime and I agree that it comes down to system and what is running at the same time that you run Rebuilder. I have AMD 64 3200+ 2.20 GHZ. 320 HD 512 Ram 1600 FSB. Dual Burners and a typical movie of 2 1/2 to 2 hrs. and 45 mins. will take 2 and 1/2 hours. SOmetimes faster (Using CCE BAsic with dual pass). I would differ with one of the posters comparing the quality of Rebuilder with Shrink. In my case (viewing on a 55 inch 16X9 HDTV and having over 850 backups...Rebuilder with CCE or HC by HAnks is in a league of it's own. I like shrink, but I like Recode 2 better...But even with that said I believe (again based on my system and viewing) that Intercopy 3 and CLonedvd2 has better quality than Rcode 2, yet I like Recode 2 and use it frequently.
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    That process includes Preparation, Encode, Rebuild, and Creating an ISO image to be burned.
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    I have a 3.0 ghz. pentium with 2 hard drives,and use rebuilder all the time.For a movie only,which is all i use,a 7 gb. movie,and 3 pass cce will take 2.5-3 hrs. from beginning to end.
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    As ze man sez, it depends on the structure and actual length of the video. If you backup a 4 hour edisodic DVD, it will take longer than 2 hours with CCE. Promise.
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    For comparison, the Smallville discs averaged 56 minutes per disc for the backups (with AnyDVD/Clone DVD2). That included all the menues and extras. Does the pic look as good? No, not even to my eyes but for most people with 27" or smaller CRT TVs, this will be good enough. The discs themselves are pretty basic, 4 episodes, subtitles and the director and cast comments audio track. The final 2 discs in the set were 3 episodes per disc plus special commentary/cast interviews for an extra half hour. No real problems with the encoding other than that time factor with DVD Rebuilder...

    As for editing/encoding on lesser computers, I can live with average 2 pass encodes to avi and SVCD taking 5 - 6 hours, TDA taking 15 minutes to compile a DVD and Womble taking 5 - 10 minutes to save 2 - 3 Gig video files. 888 minutes to simply encode video? Ai Yi Yi!
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  19. Originally Posted by oldfart13
    Total encode time: 888 minutes...2 pass. Now about these people doing 6 pass, do they really think they can see anything better than say 3 pass? Then you have eagle eyes my friends as I cannot...

    I think I'll pass on this program until I get much faster equipment and though it's stable on machines like mine I'll be requesting the author to put in a computer requirement on his website or else those with lesser machines may be a bit disappointed...
    This is really not the point. I have a dual Xeon system with 2 x 3.06 GHz processors so whether i do 2 passes, 1 pass, or 10 passes,if i start it overnight, it is done in the morning no matter the number of passes. So maybe more isn't better,but i doubt it is worse so if its 10 hours later no matter what,go for the higher passes,right ? This probably holds true for many people who now have newer and faster machines i would guess.

    As far as the author putting a computer requirement,that is more a function of the encoder you happen to be using,not DVD-Rebuilder,so its really not up to him to list all the encoders and their requirements. Its up to the user to either read the requirements of his/her particular encoder i guess or experiment with his or her system and figure out the time

    I use it on everything greater than 10 % reduction and i love it.

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    10 passes means there is a point of diminishing returns...ie. you aren't going to get it any better than you got it with a lower number of passes. Maybe some kind of electronic equipment can see a difference but the naked eye? Not a chance...

    Overnight? I go to bed on average at 4am and get up by 9 or 10 am. That's all I can sleep in a stretch with herniated discs without resorting to heavy medication.
    The comp is running 100% of cpu cycles to get it to do those avi and svcd encodes at 6 hours apiece. Anything over that is now wasted time, so 10 hour encodes are unacceptable to me...
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  21. Your cicumstances and my circumstances are obviously different,that was my point i was attempting to make. What is a "waste" for you and unacceptable for you isn't the same for everyone. That was my point. I totally understand your point also.

    Some people are completely satisfied with a DVd Shrink transcode that may be very blocky and others aren't. Its all personal preference. But if ,my computer will be on all night no matter what (as it is because i fold also) I will choose the 10 pass over the 3 pass,even though i may not be able to tell any difference at all. It's not necessarily can the naked eye see it better,but rather,the resources are being used anyway (CPU cycles for folding) so just use them for the task at hand.

    After all,whatever works for you and satisfies you is really all that is important since that is who you are trying to please

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    Originally Posted by oldfart13
    10 hour encodes are unacceptable to me...
    Speed's just a matter of money.
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