left and right of picture missing (SOLVED)

[thecrock]

I ripped gangster no 1 to my hd using dvdshrink in iso mode and then burned the image using dvddecrypter. On my tv some of the left and right hand sides of the picture are missing, the titles are not shown in full. The burned disc plays back on my pc perfectly when using power dvd.I have only had this problem once before, it doesn't matter what option i choose on my dvd remote or my tv remote i can't get the full picture.
Any suggestions guys?

[thecoalman]

Overscan, look to the left under glossary.

[lordsmurf]

http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/capture/understandsource.htm#overscan

[guns1inger]

It's not missing. The original will do exactly the same thing. Why do people panic and assume they have been ripped off when this has always been the way it is.

[thecoalman]

BTW, you can "fix it" by adding borders with an editor.

[guns1inger]

If you are happy to re-encode.

[thecrock]

What do i do to fix it?

[FulciLives]

Re-encode and use FitCD to figure out the resize and border amounts.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[edDV]

Films are shot with TV overscan in mind.
You aren't missing any important action.

[thecrock]

I must be missing something important, as the titles are cut in half.

[edDV]

I must be missing something important, as the titles are cut in half.

Then that is something other than overscan. Post a pic.

[thecrock]

I'm not at my own computer at the moment, i will post a screenshot when i get back to it.

[thecrock]

Here is the screen capture from powerdvd. When played on widescreen tv the 1 in the titles is missing completely.

[manono]

According to IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210065/dvd

it has both 16:9 1.78:1 and 4:3 1.33:1 Pan-and-Scan on the same DVD. I can't tell from the pic which version you're showing us (there could be some black bars I can't tell apart from the rest of the black). If that's the 16:9 version, then I don't know, unless you're zooming the picture. Have you checked to see if you have one of your zoom modes on? Just a guess. If not, that's a helluva overscan.

[dvdguy4]

You need to put another screenshot up in order for us to tell. Black doesnt work so well.

[cd090580]

Check if your dvd player is not set as 4:3 pan and scan. In that case 16:9 movies will have their left and right sides cutted off

[thecrock]

I can't seem to capture a screen shot with the print screen key, the picture comes out blank as you can see and with powerdvd the screen capture does not show the black borders.

[cd090580]

To make a capture you must use a prgram that support overlay/directx capture

[thecrock]

Suggestions?

[FulciLives]

WinDVD or PowerDVD or VirtualDubMod

[thecrock]

My first screen capture was with power dvd and as you can see it doesn't show the black bars. Here is another, the blackpart of the screen is the entire frame,though i don't think it'll be much help!

[guns1inger]

it's black on black - what am I supposed to be looking at ?

[thecrock]

Here we go again!



WTF am i doing wrong!

[guns1inger]

There is no reference point on the shot of the titles, but this shot looks like an incorrectly authored widescreen enhanced movie. The 16:9 flags have not been set correctly, so the player sees it as 4:3 instead. The title should be 1.78 : 1 instead. The giveaway is the tell-tale horizontal compression, making everyone look tall and thin.

[thecrock]

GUNS1INGER you seem to know what you are talking about . What would you do next?

[junkmalle]

If your backup is working properly you should see something like this on your TV:



As others have mentioned, TV's are designed to overscan the image so you normally won't see the outer 5 to 10 percent of the frame. Computer monitors do not overscan so you see the entire picture. The area outside the red lines (5 percent) is normally not visible on TV.

You're TV may overscan by more than 5 percent or the picture may not be centered well (quite common).

If you really want to see the whole picture you have to shrink the source and add a border around all four edges:



(I added the border in gray for clarity but you would usually use black.) Now when the TV overscans the image the border will be in the overscan area, not the movie.

Don't bother adjusting the border so that the movie perfectly fits your TV's viewable area. You'll find that TV's vary in the exact amount of overscan and centering (not to mention a lot of linearity defects). Even a single TV will vary from time to time depending on temperature etc.

[thecrock]

How do i achieve this?

[guns1inger]

I'd start by ripping the DVD to the HDD and using IFOEdit to set the 16:9 flags and see if this fixes things. That way you don't have to demux, resize and re-encode.

[thecrock]

So you are saying to use ifoedit to set 16:9 flags, Could you point me in the right direction for this change, some hints, i have never used ifoedit and am again a clueless noob.

[thecrock]

Problem solved, i mounted the iso with alcohol and copied it with dvddecrypter in file mode. Then i loaded the ifo files into ifoedit and set the video flags to 16:9 letterboxed and saved them, then i dropped the fixed files into an iso image and burned with decrypter.

Beautifull.

Many thanks to all who have helped me out here and to jel at doom9.

Another problem solved and logged for the future.