dazzle record from tv?

[tomsta79]

ok lads am wanting advice on which capture card to buy ive seen the dazzle ones on the net... i have a blade 7000 hd sub box and i want to record from box to tv which capture card would do this is 720p are 1080i 1080p. any advice would be great thanks

[DB83]

More info is required. I have checked the specs for this box and as far as I can see it does not come with a built-in PVR. So are you asking about a device ie a PVR to record the programs the box receives ?

If that is so, the specs do allow you to connect an external HDD via USB to the box. This is NOT a capture card as such as the box still controls the recording. The box will still playback the recordings to the tv.

The other way is to do 'live' recordings straight from the box in to a PC. That is where a capture card comes in but you are limited to the output connections on the box. I see it has hdmi and I assume you already use this to connect the box to your tv. That just leaves the component connection so you will then need a capture device that supports that. Not sure about Dazzle. Some hauppuage HD ones do, AFAIK, as do Blackmagic. Do some research and check the connections available on the capture device.

[usually_quiet]

ok lads am wanting advice on which capture card to buy ive seen the dazzle ones on the net... i have a blade 7000 hd sub box and i want to record from box to tv which capture card would do this is 720p are 1080i 1080p. any advice would be great thanks

The Hauppauge Colossus and Hauppauge HD-PVR both provide component video capture, plus analog stereo audio capture or optical S/PDIF audio capture. The AVerMedia DarkCrystal HD Capture Station (C874) provides component video capture, plus analog stereo audio capture. All three devices encode using hardware and are supported by Windows 7 Media Center. The Hauppauge Colossus and Hauppauge HD-PVR are also supported by NextPVR/NPVR.

If you do not need to make recordings on a schedule, there are a number of other HD capture devices that are supported by their own software and possibly third party capture software, but are not supported by Windows Media Center or other PVR-type software. The AVerMedia DarkCrystal HD Capture Pro (C027) is a popular choice, but requires a beefier CPU than the others above since it uses software-based encoding.

[tomsta79]

More info is required. I have checked the specs for this box and as far as I can see it does not come with a built-in PVR. So are you asking about a device ie a PVR to record the programs the box receives ?

If that is so, the specs do allow you to connect an external HDD via USB to the box. This is NOT a capture card as such as the box still controls the recording. The box will still playback the recordings to the tv.

The other way is to do 'live' recordings straight from the box in to a PC. That is where a capture card comes in but you are limited to the output connections on the box. I see it has hdmi and I assume you already use this to connect the box to your tv. That just leaves the component connection so you will then need a capture device that supports that. Not sure about Dazzle. Some hauppuage HD ones do, AFAIK, as do Blackmagic. Do some research and check the connections available on the capture device.

ok m8.. its a capture card am after. like you say i use the hdmi to my tv. but there is the RCA fittings on the back of the box. so what i thought is 2 RCA cables 3 splitters and some sort of capture card ... i have a hard drive connected to box. i tryed recording to hard drive then connected hard drive to pc so so i could copy the files to there. but there all seperate files. and the file size of each part is to big. like 2 gig for every 15 mins of each part. so am defo looking to buy a good capture card . thanks

[DB83]

RCA would indicate composite. But on the info I read the only other connection from the box was component. These are different so check your manual for the exact type of connection you have and do not rely on your eyes.

Why would, in any event, you require splitters ?

From your reply you do already appear to have a PVR connected. The files are 'huge' because they are HD. But these boxes are no different to dvd-recorders inasmuch that you can not simply copy/transfer the recording to a PC. The recording must be recapturing by real-time playback. If that component, or whatever, is not digital (again, check the manual) you will only be able to capture as analogue and you will lose some of the original quality.

[tomsta79]

RCA would indicate composite. But on the info I read the only other connection from the box was component. These are different so check your manual for the exact type of connection you have and do not rely on your eyes.

Why would, in any event, you require splitters ?

From your reply you do already appear to have a PVR connected. The files are 'huge' because they are HD. But these boxes are no different to dvd-recorders inasmuch that you can not simply copy/transfer the recording to a PC. The recording must be recapturing by real-time playback. If that component, or whatever, is not digital (again, check the manual) you will only be able to capture as analogue and you will lose some of the original quality.

so is there any way around it. like playing back what i recorded then capture it. i thought i would of been to just copy what i recorded to pc as one file. but theres like 8 files. i tryed converting them them then use a video joining program but to much hassle for me.

[DB83]

hat is what I said. 'Real-time playback'

Real time recordings also take time and typically you will have to do some conversion form that. That means even more time and possible hassle

The critical thing here is the type of connection. We really do need to know that so that we can advise on the exact type of capture device and the cables.

And do elaborate on the use of splitters.

A word or two about the original files from your PVR. If they are in a format that can be read, joined and converted, that really is your best option. Sure there is hassle involved and time. But you get the best quality and that could matter to you.

Let me make suggestion. Do a short - say 5 mins - recording on to your PVR. Copy that file as you have done before to your PC and upload it to some file-sharer such as rapidshare. Post the link to the upload here are let us have a play with it. We can possibly suggest a less-hassle way of conversion.

Real time recordings also take time and typically you will have to do some conversion form that. That means even more time and possible hassle.

[tomsta79]

hat is what I said. 'Real-time playback'

Real time recordings also take time and typically you will have to do some conversion form that. That means even more time and possible hassle

The critical thing here is the type of connection. We really do need to know that so that we can advise on the exact type of capture device and the cables.

And do elaborate on the use of splitters.

A word or two about the original files from your PVR. If they are in a format that can be read, joined and converted, that really is your best option. Sure there is hassle involved and time. But you get the best quality and that could matter to you.

Let me make suggestion. Do a short - say 5 mins - recording on to your PVR. Copy that file as you have done before to your PC and upload it to some file-sharer such as rapidshare. Post the link to the upload here are let us have a play with it. We can possibly suggest a less-hassle way of conversion.

Real time recordings also take time and typically you will have to do some conversion form that. That means even more time and possible hassle.

every thing on my box is. white yellow red. . green blue red.. 1 rs232> 1 usb >2 scart> 1 hdmi .. i will try some time today to upload a a 5min. video then i will post the link on here thanks

[DB83]

I did ask you to check your manula for the conection and not use your eyes for the connections.

But if you have 6 rca then they should be component. Is one of these 'reds' more 'pink' ?

If you have scart then you can also do conventional analogue recordings from the box to a capture device. If you are happy with that - lower definition and not HD - then ok.

I will now await the recording.

[tomsta79]

I did ask you to check your manula for the conection and not use your eyes for the connections.

But if you have 6 rca then they should be component. Is one of these 'reds' more 'pink' ?

If you have scart then you can also do conventional analogue recordings from the box to a capture device. If you are happy with that - lower definition and not HD - then ok.

I will now await the recording.

both reds look the same to me... so what leads and device would i need to record in hd. in your opition

[DB83]

The botton line, if you are reluctant to read the manual which will confirm if it is component or not, id that you can not record in HD if you have one hdmi and that is already in use.

You can record as analogue using the RCA, whatever it is, or the scart using a scart to RCA adapter to connect to a capture device.

Is it too hard to read the manual?. I assume you have one. I found one on-line but it may be a different model - as that did not mention scart - to the one you have. Maybe you can give me the EXACT model.

One small thing. It really is not neccessary to quote my replies in full.

[tomsta79]

model number blade7000-1012-201340

[jagabo]

This device? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4_Ni-uZt8E



The yellow composite video output will only give you standard definition. The component outputs (Y, Pb, Pr) can give you high definition video but many devices will not output both HDMI and component at the same time. You should check that before committing to an expensive capture card.

The HDMI output is almost certainly protected with HDCP. None of the mentioned devices will record HDCP protected HDMI. If you want to record that you will need an HDCP stripper -- which may be hard to find and illegal in your country. You'll also need an HDMI splitter so you can send one signal to the TV, the other to the capture device.

[DB83]

Well jagabo beet me to that. I found another manual which shows both analogue (Composite) and component - the manual just says 'best quality' for component.

Let's see the recording before going any further.

[tomsta79]

http://www.2shared.com/file/gL2B9WZo/Sky_DraRomHD_175517_22SEP2012.html << link for movie tester

[DB83]

I give up.

I have tried to get that file and all the site does is try to make me download other stuff such as file-downloaders etc. and not the actual file.

I suggested Rapidshare which atleast is safe and does not include all this crap.

[DB83]

I have had one final look at this.

Tried to download with the download manager of my choice and not what this site want me to use.

JDownloader reports the file is 'online' and is some170+ meg. When I start the download the file changes to 15K and is 'not available'. At that point the download process goes into a 10 minute wait loop.

My conclusion is that the file was not properly uploaded or whatever.

Anyone else been able to download it ?

[DB83]

I have to add one thing without seeing the file.

170gig for the requested 5 minutes does not come across as HD. I have a 150 sec SD recording DVD quality(8000 kbps,Lpcm audio) and that is 177 gig. And you said that 15 minutes consume 2 gig of HDD space. My calculations suggest that the clip is just 1 min+. Ok. That is enough but it does help us to help you if you do what is requested.

[jagabo]

I downloaded the file with no problems. A transport stream file with h.264 video and MP2 audio. MPCHC and PotPlayer were able to play it although I had to use the scroll bar to skip past the first few seconds. VLC, KMPlayer, and WMP were not able to play it. MediaInfo shows the container is MPEG-TS, and the Format Profile as "No PAT/PMT". I don't keep up with TS editors (ie, I may not have the lastest versions) but none of the ones I tried were able to open the file. TsMuxer, TS Packet Editor, TS Sniper, Mpg2Cut2,

[DB83]

I downloaded the file with no problems. ...............,

Thanks for that. I have just tried again this morning. The download chokes at 15.77 KB using the download manager.

Using the website, I still do not see any text 'Download to your computer' or similar or any button to click other than a loop as I mentioned or links to other programs which I do not want or need.

Note your comments about the TS file and lack of ability in putting it in an editor. I guess that is the end of the road for that experiment. Would still have been nice to have my hands on the file itself but that may be an ISP issue if you got it without any issue.

[tomsta79]

I give up.

I have tried to get that file and all the site does is try to make me download other stuff such as file-downloaders etc. and not the actual file.

I suggested Rapidshare which atleast is safe and does not include all this crap.

try this link <<<
http://www.mediafire.com/?12rlw0g39s36cs3

[tomsta79]

I downloaded the file with no problems. A transport stream file with h.264 video and MP2 audio. MPCHC and PotPlayer were able to play it although I had to use the scroll bar to skip past the first few seconds. VLC, KMPlayer, and WMP were not able to play it. MediaInfo shows the container is MPEG-TS, and the Format Profile as "No PAT/PMT". I don't keep up with TS editors (ie, I may not have the lastest versions) but none of the ones I tried were able to open the file. TsMuxer, TS Packet Editor, TS Sniper, Mpg2Cut2,

not every file is the same .the frist one is a ts file then the rest are just white files with no name>> like say file 001>>file 002 and so on ..the frist file is always a ts file.?

[DB83]

Thank you for the fresh link. I now have my hands on the file.

As jagabo points out, and he is vastly more experienced in these matters than I am, there are issues in opening this file with several players.

In fact most editors, including Vegas, choke on it as well.

The closest I got was that I could process the video in handbrake. But even this program could not find any audio track. And even then there was some disturbance in the first few seconds of my sample output. I wonder if there is some copy-protection at play here.

I guess these .001 .002 files are the spilts occassioned to the file system that is being used for the recording. Further than that I would also guess that even if one could edit the first file as that would contain the header, trying to join the rest and re-proccess that would be a non-starter.

So the only option is the capture the playback in real time. My fear, as already stated, is that HD is a non-starter. I have seen nothing in the manual to suggest that the component output is HD - I thought that was analog and SD.

You can check out the tools section for those capture devices that support component. But you also have the composite - yellow, white, red (the left side looking from the back) or even the scart output. But, as jagabo also correctly points out so DO check your manual first, most units will only support one output cable at a time. My dvd-recorder has both scart and hdmi (for upscaling) and if I connect the hdmi I can not connect a scart at the same time.

So the bottom line is, depending on what the manual says, that there may be no capture option available. It's called progress.

[jagabo]

I guess these .001 .002 files are the spilts occassioned to the file system that is being used for the recording. Further than that I would also guess that even if one could edit the first file as that would contain the header, trying to join the rest and re-proccess that would be a non-starter.

I suspect they could just be concatenated.

I tried opening the file with Handbrake but couldn't. I haven't updated the program in quite a while though as I don't use it.

I doubt it's copy protection since some players can play it. The missing PAT/PMT is probalby what's confusing most programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream#Program_Specific_Information_.28PSI.29

Or maybe the recorder added some private data to the beginning of the file and that is screwing up all the other programs.

[DB83]

Here is the first 10 seconds of the vid as processed by handbrake.

[tomsta79]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxQtsRLWnno....... lads what about this device check out video <<<<Elgato Game Capture HD

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duronic-HS12-Splitter-Performing-TECHNOLOGY/dp/B005FQMUE8/ref=...8505647&sr=8-1<<< and this ..Duronic HS12 - 2 Way HDMI Splitter box ...1 input 2 output - Full HD 1080p ?

[jagabo]

I don't think the Elgato will capture HDCP encrypted HDMI. If you were to use the Elgato you don't need the splitter because the Elgato has an HDMI passthrough.

[DB83]

Be very wary if some reviewers say 'No quality loss' when using these splitters. I would expect any splitter that does not provide some form of amplification to produce a loss of quality.

You must also consider the length of cable run and the type( hdmi version) of cables you need.

I know nothing about that elgato. I would suggest you look on here for HD capture devices Hauppuage etc. They will likely to be more expensive but you only want to do this once.

And fir the splitter this looks like a better option.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neet%C2%AE-SPLITTER-Amplifier-Display-Shipping/dp/B001D9P1OW/ref=pd_sim_ce_1

[tomsta79]

looks really good as well but its a lot of money to waste if it does not work seen them on amazon for £140 pound

[DB83]

So you spend £50 or whatever on something that may work. And if it does not then do you then get something that should work ?