Star Trek Enterprise

[wulf109]

Enterprise was cancelled and gone after four seasons. The move to the friday "black hole" should have made it's fate clear.
It's cancellation was long overdue. As a trek fan since 1966 I'm glad to see this show gone. I doubt you can sustain a Star Trek series without a connection to the original series as this pre-quil series proves. If there is a new series I hope the producers have the good sense to set after the original series in time line.

[Kunta Kinte]

I agree. I think Mr. Berman should resign as executive producer of any new Star Trek projects. In my opinion, he lacks the insight and intelligence of Mr. Roddenberry, and the way he rewrites Star Trek "history" only pisses me off.

The Borg encounter on the STNG? They were so far away, it to Q technology the Enterprise C to enconter them in the fiirst place. How did Archer ever get so far out in space?

And having Zephrem Cochran be from Earth? Any fan worth his salt knows he was from Alpha Centauri. The list goes on and on...

[lumis]

NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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[spiderman2k1]

One of the problems with the show. Is every one thinks the same.

[wulf109]

Lumis


None of us would be posting here if we weren't nerds. What's your particular nerd.

[lumis]

i'm sorry, it just felt appropriate

[Kunta Kinte]

It just felt mean and uncalled for.

[lumis]

my sincerest apologies, i didnt realise calling you nerds would cut so deep..

its not like i called you depraved lifeless virgins, i'm glad i didnt.

[wulf109]

Just to get more nerdish,I suspect Mr.Berman is not the problem. He was with the franchise from TNG's debut. I would suspect that Brannon Braga and other writers are the source of the "errors". True you don't have a watchful eye overseeing the francise anymore. Someone should send all the writers a copy of "The Writer's Guide To Star Trek".

[Ironballs]

Although I never agreed with the premise of setting Enterprise before TOS, I could live with this, but the stories are just plain dull.

To be fair, I did think series 4 did pick up a bit.

Star trek should do a Dr Who and stay off the air for about 15 years.

[yoda313]

Helo,

Yeah Enterprise sucked. You never cared about anyone. They just went from one mission to another. And since they were before TOS they couldn't do anything! I mean once without a tractor beam is interesting. But using those stupid grappling hooks over and over again???? Yuck.

Not to mention BAKULA. He didn't want to act like Stewart or Shatner so he acted like a jerk! I mean no real emotion. Sure he was supposed to be the son of an engineering genius and driven to explore but who cared????

They needed to take five years off after VOYAGER ended to recharge. They jumped in WAY too soon.

Kevin

[wulf109]

I did read that Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis are going to appear in the final episode of Enterprise. Perhaps a bridge to a new series.
I do agree with Yoda's comments. When I first heard Bakula would play the new captain,my first thought was a second rate character actor with the stage presence of a paper cup could never carry a series. When I watched the first episode and heard the theme music I new the series was in serious trouble.
Season One is being released on DVD in may. I'll rent them,perhaps seeing them in high resolution and no commercials will make them watchable,but I doubt it.

[smearbrick1]

I agree. I think Mr. Berman should resign as executive producer of any new Star Trek projects. In my opinion, he lacks the insight and intelligence of Mr. Roddenberry, and the way he rewrites Star Trek "history" only pisses me off.

The Borg encounter on the STNG? They were so far away, it to Q technology the Enterprise C to enconter them in the fiirst place. How did Archer ever get so far out in space?

And having Zephrem Cochran be from Earth? Any fan worth his salt knows he was from Alpha Centauri. The list goes on and on...

500 Trekkies.

2 steady girlfriends.

[Kunta Kinte]

Yoshi! The universal translator's broken again! Smearbrick just babbled something, and I didn't understand a word of it.

[spiderman2k1]

Well there always the novels you can read. For the Trek fans. LOL

[Epicurus8a]

I read in one of the TV trade magazines that there is nothing in the works for the time being. There was talk of another movie, but isn't going to happen. The long term goal is to rep-invent Trek again. They'll probably have to kiss and make-up with Ron Moore, though. (He was the best thing Trek had going for it, period.) IMO: That probably won't happen until Battlestar Galactica is over and Berman is gone.

[vitualis]

I haven't watched much of Enterprise, but I didn't like it.

One of the nice things about Star Trek is that there is so much "history" to draw from. IMHO, continuity with the overall story arc is important.

Regards.

[Garibaldi]

I would like to see a new star trek series come out. Not a prequel, just because of the way enterprise was done I don't think another one would work right now. I heard rumours that JMS wrote a script for a way to "revive star trek" but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

[Darth Paris]

Moore thinks he is the Jesus of sci-fi. BSG is an ok show but it isn't anywhere near perfect. I would not want him back on Trek.

JMS would be cool, but I think he would have a bit of an attitude and would ignore some of the stuff already done.

My feelings on Enterprise are that it started out slow, just like the rest of the Trek shows, and has become a better show each year. The first two seasons weren't great, but they weren't horrible either.

[Lucifers_Ghost]

I think both Brannon and Braga need to step aside. They were all fine and dandy for TNG, DS9, and Voyager. But the time is up. They just need some new blood in there. I dont think they need someone like Roddenberry but just someone new with new and fresh thinking and ideas.

I have seen a little of Enterprise and didnt like much of it. When I first heard the idea of a prequel I thought it was doomed to fail. Seems I was right. Im sure another ST series can be successful if they change it up at the top.

On the topic of movies, my favorite series was DS9 so I suppose I am a bit biased but a movie involving the Dominion story ark would kick all kinds of ass. They have played out TNG. Its done. After the last one, where do they go? Its just done for them. Bring back some key characters but thats about it.

Just my opinion ...

LG

[yoda313]

Hello,

but a movie involving the Dominion story ark would kick all kinds of ass

Umm... Don't mean to burst your bubble but didn't the dominion fall in the DS9 finale???? I mean Cardassia fell and ODO rejoined the Founders to "talk some sense into them". And all the good villians were killed off - Sloan, GUL DUKAT, etc.....

Kevin

[Garibaldi]

Hello,

but a movie involving the Dominion story ark would kick all kinds of ass

Umm... Don't mean to burst your bubble but didn't the dominion fall in the DS9 finale???? I mean Cardassia fell and ODO rejoined the Founders to "talk some sense into them". And all the good villians were killed off - Sloan, GUL DUKAT, etc.....

Kevin

Maybe he means like another "not shown" story in the dominion arc.

[Darth Paris]

I don't see a dominoin movie working out that well. The general public wouldn't get it.

[yoda313]

Hello,

Maybe he means like another "not shown" story in the dominion arc.

Hmm... Don't know about that...

Though they could always work out something like some backwards planet still being held captive. Then Sisko would have to "come back" from the prophets and gather the old gang to save them from the Jem Hadar.... Might work...

Kevin

[Garibaldi]

Hello,

Maybe he means like another "not shown" story in the dominion arc.

Hmm... Don't know about that...

Though they could always work out something like some backwards planet still being held captive. Then Sisko would have to "come back" from the prophets and gather the old gang to save them from the Jem Hadar.... Might work...

Kevin

Yeah that would work. What I meant that he might have meant (wow this is confusing) is that it would take place during the dominion war it just would be a part that they didn't show on the show. Both ideas would be interesting if they actually did it.

[garman]

I'm terribly saddened by the demise of this program. I thought there were some very good stories escpecially near the final season, but generally the stories were average. I would would still support this show even if it was still running. Now I only watch my local news channel, PBS and BSG. I will never ever support "reality tv", that to me is a waste of my time and a loss of what little brain cells I still have. -garman

[gll99]

I didn't like the Xindi shows. One or 2 would have been ok but almost a whole season!
The OS moved quickly because it was fresh and new every episode. The writers of this series seem to need 3 or 4 episodes to tell a story that should be done in 1. I can't see this show doing well in syndication because of the number of episodes that need to be tied together they can't just play them adhoc. Usually this was done for special shows or season ending cliff hangers but it has been used too much with this series. I would like it to continue just so the characters could develop a bit more like they did on NG and Voyager. I think this is where this show missed the boat they should have spent more time on each main character by writing the episodes around them. I know they tried with some episodes but they just didn't do it enough.

[Garibaldi]

I've got a question about the latest episode (warning spoilers!!)








So in the mirror universe when they find the ship from the alternate reality in the future. Is it from "our" reality? Also is it NCC-1701 or something else? So is it the Enterprise or just another constition class?

[yoda313]

Hi,

SPOILER ANSWER:











Garibaldi - from what I read in the Tv guide special this week (I didn't read all of it ). Riker and Troi are supposed to be from the Enterprise D. How and why I'm not sure. But somehow they are supposed to participate like DANIELS did as low level crewman on the nx-01 to help them with something. And also its supposed to be six years after the current time in ENTERPRISE to coincide with the founding of the Federation (2161 I believe).

The writers of this series seem to need 3 or 4 episodes to tell a story that should be done in 1. I

I know exactly what you mean. DS9 and Voyager had this problem in the first two seasons of each series but then caught their stride and finished off really well.

I think this is where this show missed the boat they should have spent more time on each main character by writing the episodes around them. I know they tried with some episodes but they just didn't do it enough.

Yep I agree with that also. I think Hoshi and Tpal were the only ones to get any treatment. Though Hoshi's was kinda weak. Trip got some but not much of a real background. Flox was the only character I liked.

Kevin

[gll99]

Garibaldi

So in the mirror universe when they find the ship from the alternate reality in the future. Is it from "our" reality? Also is it NCC-1701 or something else? So is it the Enterprise or just another constition class?

The markings on the ship are USS Defiant NCC 1764.

@yoda313

Flox is one of my favorite characters also. I just found that in 4 seasons we learned so little about the characters. Flox had a friend he wrote to because we heard him dictate in one story but that was weak because there was no character interaction. Just as an example, we also know they have multiple partners but that said no supporting characters to expand on that point. Just bringing out a particular quirk doesn't develop it enough.
We finally learned about Tpal's family and we know that Trip's sister was killed and saw a bit of that in his nightmare but that's not enough. The interplay between Tpal and Trip was good but too little in so much time.