TY -R 4X at supermedia and others, not Premium grade.

[chas0039]

Ok, I have spoken to a buyer for a local DVD duping company and they have confirmed that the TY media we are looking at is called their Value Line product and is not the same as their Premium grade. This means there is a higher percentage of block errors. He also said it had been certified by his company as 4X media. He said it was not "B" grade but definitely not as good as their best.

So the general concerns about this being “too good” are true but also it is good enough for TY to put their name on as 4X. This explains why some of what we are getting is G02. I am still very happy with the price and the quality and I have seen a better burn at 8X than many other premium media, Verbatim included. So I guess you would burn at 4X if you want the best quality. If you like the scans at 8X, as I do, it still beats the competition.

[gjb]

the 100 pk I purchased a week ago for $35 including shipment from supermediastore was TYG02 rated at 8x- the pack was a seal wrap marked value dvd-r. these had the same code that the 2- 50 pc cake box I bought from rima for $53.00 including shipment.

[chas0039]

the 100 pk I purchased a week ago for $35 including shipment from supermediastore was TYG02 rated at 8x- the pack was a seal wrap marked value dvd-r. these had the same code that the 2- 50 pc cake box I bought from rima for $53.00 including shipment.

And as I have said above, the supermedia, sold as 4X, is Value Grade whereas the TY from Rima was sold as 8X and is Premium Grade. That does not mean that the cheap stuff will not burn as well (mine does so far), it only means the potential is there. I did see some dye over-run in the center hub on a few of the discs. This shouldn't change the burn but it is an indication that the Value Grade is different.

[samijubal]

No problems with them yet, knock on wood.

[lordsmurf]

Is this going to be a repeat of the never-confirmed "multi grade" scenario of Ritek?

[henry_nettles]

12x burn in my Nec3500 on these so-called "value grade" discs. All I can say is give me more...

[jbenj01]

Not familiar with the program.. But what are you supposed to be looking for, in general? I noticed that overall score was a "97", which I'd guess is very good.. But what else? TIA.

[samijubal]

OK, now I've noticed something weird with these discs. 2 out of 99 burned at 4X even though it was set at 8X, and the other 97 burned at 8X. I was watching on the second 4X burn, about 3/4 through the burn the buffer in Decrypter drained and the burner buffer went crazy for about a minute, looked like an audio level meter, then it went back to normal. I've never seen that happen before, and I burn alot. I scanned through the disc, it seems fine.

[chas0039]

samijubal

What software and media code? You have an NEC 3500 don't you? Maybe your media code changed in the middle of the stack.....or in the middle of the disc.

On another note, how did you burn 100 of these in the last few days??? If you burn non stop for 12 hours a day at 20 minutes a burn that is three solid days! And I thought I needed a life.

[jaxxboss]

12x burn in my Nec3500 on these so-called "value grade" discs. All I can say is give me more...

RAY , LOL. hmmmmm

[samijubal]

samijubal

What software and media code? You have an NEC 3500 don't you? Maybe your media code changed in the middle of the stack.....or in the middle of the disc.

On another note, how did you burn 100 of these in the last few days??? If you burn non stop for 12 hours a day at 20 minutes a burn that is three solid days! And I thought I needed a life.

The software was Decrypter, if I looked at the right disc, I think I did, it's TYG01. I have no idea why they stayed at 4X all the way through. I've never seen the buffer in Decrypter drain and the burner buffer bounce around like that before. I've had the discs for a couple of weeks now. Burns take more like 15 minutes, not 20. It reads a DVD-R in 4-5 minutes and burns in about 9 minutes.

[studmonkey76]

TYG01 are 4x dvds. TYG02 are 8x.

[zanos]

Are the 4x TYs supermediastore is currently selling really TYG02 rated at 8x?

[chas0039]

Are the 4x TYs supermediastore is currently selling really TYG02 rated at 8x?

Some are G01s and some are G02s. You won't know until you open them. Once they are open, you cannot tell them apart from the higher priced version. As they are value discs, they are certified at 4X but they will burn higher. Some are no different from the regular premium discs and others won't burn so well, especially the G02s at 12X. If you burn everything you get at 4X you should be totally satisfied. If you burn at 8X some may look less than perfect but will still beat any other $35 stack you can get. Mine are better than the Verbatim MCCs and they were only $30 after a $30 rebate.. Any way you look at it, these are better than almost anything you could burn a year ago and at 1/3rd the price.

[samijubal]

Today something even stranger. I had one burn at 4X again when it was set at 8X. I checked in DVD Infopro and it said TYG02 and had up to 12X for the speed. Don't get that one. The disc has a bad spot in it, when I look at the disc I can see a small spot where it looks like it didn't burn.

[chas0039]

Today something even stranger. I had one burn at 4X again when it was set at 8X. I checked in DVD Infopro and it said TYG02 and had up to 12X for the speed. Don't get that one. The disc has a bad spot in it, when I look at the disc I can see a small spot where it looks like it didn't burn.

I have to assume a problem with media cannot set burn speed. G02 is G02. I have seen real trash burned at speeds beyond belief because the firmware had been hacked to do so. Assuming that, I would look for problems in the software or in the hardware. I would also look at other discs and see if there are common problems doing the same burns. If this is still after 97 good burns it could very well be a drive malfunction. If every disc you now burn does the same, you could get a disc to another burner and see if they get the same results. Good luck.

[samijubal]

No, most of them burn fine at 8X, it's only once in awhile they burn at 4X. I can see the bad spot in the last disc, it's got a small dark spot in it. The drive or software might be able to sense disc problems. I had alot of problems with Optodisc RAM discs back 3 years ago or so. I usually had a pretty good idea which ones would have bad spots, even if they were very small, by how long it would take the recorder to scan the disc. If it took longer than normal the disc would usually have a problem.

[samijubal]

Beware of these discs, I had another one crap out on me tonite, errored in Decrypter. I looked close at the disc, right at the edge of the burn there's a little crater in the surface of the disc. Now I know why I've always bought my discs from Rima. They should be telling people what they are buying. This was my first and last order from Supermediastore. I'd suggest inspecting each disc very closely before burning. Expect to get some bad ones, the G02s seem to be worse than the G01s are.

[chas0039]

Thanks for the heads up. I got used to doing this for the old Ritek G04s. Time to get out the magnifying glass.

[Jestak]

Greetings,

Name Code Qty Each Options
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Taiyo Yuden 4X DVD-R DVD01X0238-100F 1 35.99
media Silver Shiny in
Tape Wrap 100 pack with
Free Ground Shipping
(Shipped)
UPS Tracking Number:
1ZWA32160352320493
Subtotal 35.99
Tax 0.00
Total 35.99

Here is the deal at Supermedia store. I burnt 40 on my NEC2100A modified to a NEC2500 by updating the firmware at 4x and I burnt about 30 at 8x and I had no problem with either batch.

Thank you

[samijubal]

Time to get out the magnifying glass.

That's what I used.

[lordsmurf]

Just as a reminder, there is zero official confirmation on this situation. It's just innuendo and second hand knowledge from somebody that may very well be "guessing" or "BSing" his way through questions (not chas0039, but the "duping buyer").

Let's try to keep this site rumor- and boogeyman-free.

Just the facts, please ... with some confirmation. At least when it's a serious accusation like this one. Something of this caliber will require official info from TY that "grades" of media truly exists.

Sorry samijubal, but there's just no proof of any of this. You may simply have a bad batch or uncooperative burner. I've had Fuji TY media that wasn't up to snuff, and my BTC hates any TY. Fact of DVD burning life, I'm afraid.

[samijubal]

I've burned about 2000 Prodiscs and 300 Fuji TY discs without any problems with a single disc, I'm still burning those discs without any problems. In about 120 of these I've had problems with 4 discs from 2 different bundles. That isn't guessing or bsing, that's a fact. Do you live to argue with everything I post?

[chas0039]

lordsmurf, the buyer I spoke to works at a company near my house and he had no reason to misrepresent any information. He was very earnest and he was forthcoming with the information and he implied that this was nothing special. I heard of this from a moderator over at CDInfo so this is a second source with the same information. As well, from the dye over-runs I have seen on my discs I would have to say that this TY media is not up to snuff. You of course can consider this information any way you want to, but based on my first hand experience speaking to this person, I consider it valid. I appreciate that you are not demeaning my postings, thank you, I am just trying to qualify my source. In any case, as TY has stated they are done producing 4X-R DVD media, this issue should die out after a while.

[studmonkey76]

I purchased 200 of these from supermedia store and so far after burning 75+ of them at both 4x and 8x and even some at 12x I can say that there is not a single problem with these. If they are second grade media, I would love every single one of them they have for sale. I use them on both my benq 1620 and my btc 1004.

[NiteLite]

I would not call them second grade or anything...but after writing mine look like the rings of Saturn. (TY-G01-code) I've only experienced this ONE ring with Maxell 4X yellow tops either TY or Max code but NEVER with TY's from Rima. These $33.00/hundred are a nasty looking write compared to my regular purchases of TY blanks from Rima. Never seen rings on TY before. But never seen so much 4X all of a sudden show up on so many sites so long after discontinued.
These will not play towards the end on my very demanding Panasonic RP-82.
However did play ok on the Sony (both standalones)
On second thought I would call them 2nd grade. Caveat emptor!

[chas0039]

I would look at hardware/ software problems; most people I have seen posting with this kind of problem have found that to be the case. Maybe not here but just a suggestion.

[CoffeeEater]

You of course can consider this information any way you want to, but based on my first hand experience speaking to this person, I consider it valid.

That's not first-hand. Even his information is not first-hand unless he tested everything himself and came to those conclusions himself.

It would be first hand experience if you tested the media yourself and came on here and posted. But this guy's company tested it, then he told you, now you are telling us. Definitely not first hand experience.

[lordsmurf]

but after writing mine look like the rings of Saturn.

It sounds more like firmware and the variable-write and re-calibration that goes on in modern drives.

[lacywest]

When we get the different grades ... how do they know ??

Are they making a lower grade on purpose and then including the lower rating code on them.

Or ... are these lower grade at the end of the batch line and they have a way to change the media code.

And as the current batch starts to reach the end of it's run ... they switch the codes when they feel the quality is dropping down ??