CCE vs DVD Shrink

[zero_net]

I just did 4 pass CCE 2.5 with DVD Rebuilder which took like 12 hours !!!! & did DVD Shrink which only took 5 hours .

& the results were terrible, I would think 4 passes would be enough, afterall, i can do a 2 pass vbr in tmpgenc & at 1600 & have good quality !!

this video was 4hours long, I wanted to cram it onto 1 DVD.

DVD Shrink did just as good as the CCE !!!!!.

what am i doing wrong ?

[guns1inger]

If tmpgenc does it, just use tmpgenc. I would not try to cram 4 hours of full D1 onto a single 4.37GB DVD. I'd split it, or convert it to half-D1. Or just use tmpgenc if you are happy with the output.

[jimmalenko]

Irregardless of the number of passes, IMO you're never going to get anywhere near decent quality using any encoder using roughly 2300kbps (got it from a bitrate calculator) for full D1 (720 X 480). However, change your frame size to half D1 (352 X 480) and I'm confident you'll find the results much more palatable. All things being equal, as good as DVDShrink is, a re-encode will always get my vote as a better option if we're strictly talking in a purist domain. In practice, I swear by DVDShrink for most jobs as I don't find the difference noticable to my eyes.

[dap]

I just started useing CCE this past week and it does take a long time, but my results have been fantastic. I do it overnight while I sleep and it only takes 5 hours or so for most of my DVD's. I still love DVDShrink and use it for movie only backups with little compression.

Oh, I only do 2 pass. Not sure 4 pass would would be worth the extra time from some of the posts that I have read.

[guns1inger]

I have yet to find an instance where more than 3 passes is warranted.

[tsantsa]

I use CCE via DvdRB and use many passes. I always half d1 the extras (if i havent ripped them with vobblanker already) with maybe a 25% quality cut (depending on the extra).

The only reason that I use 10 (9 + 1 .vaf pass) total passes is that I set it up before I go to bed at night. I work days and don't get back to my comp until after I get off at around 5 pm. Almost always it's finished encoding and I have never had a quality issue that way. (anyone who says CCE diminishes quality after 4 or 5 passes is wrong...from doom9: geffroman - OK... Is there a scenario where an extra pass could degrade the final quality...? or is it just a matter of possibly no gain for all the extra time spent...?
wmansir - It will never hurt, just waste time.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74356)

The only times that the encode isn't complete is when doing episode discs. I don't do batch encodes (not enough HDD space ) otherwise I would set 5 passes for 2 encodes each. I guess.

[archaeo]

10 passes?? whew, you do have some time to waste.
I'll bet you won't see a difference between a two pass and your ten pass.
If you do, please post so I can see it too.

[rkr1958]

You guys have a much larger budget for your video hobby (job) than I do to be able to afford CCE SP (two-grand). I specifically bought CCE Basic ($58 ) to use with DVD-Rebuilder, and since have started using it (over TMPGEnc-Plus) as my encoder of choice. CCE Basic VBR is limited to 2-passes.

I'm very please with the speed and quality I get from CCE Basic 2-pass VBR.

For backing up DVDs, I'll use DVD-Shrink if compression is 90% or better. Otherwise, I'll use DVD-RB w/CCE Basic (2-pass VBR).

To be honest, I really can't tell a difference between DVD-Shrink and DVD-RB w/CCE but It just makes me feel better using DVD-RB when compression falls below 90%.