DVD Shrink MUltiple Instances. any way ?

[nerys]

Is there anyway to run DVD Skrink MULTIPLE times simultaneously IE shrinking more than 1 DVD at the same time from multiple DVD Drives ?

I usually have 3 or 4 to do at one time and would like to have them ALL going at the same time.

I tried it and it does not like it. when I start the second it does something that "whacks" the first already running copy.

I am trying dvd2one now but I have never used it before and am not sure what the output will be like and dvd shrink appears to be the best all around.

Suggestions ? What would happen if I renamed the dvdshrink exe and made a new folder to run 2 copies. I imaging this will not work since its probably going to still have some common globals built into the program and that is likely where the conflict it.

suggestions?

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[scottie78]

Is there anyway to run DVD Skrink MULTIPLE times simultaneously IE shrinking more than 1 DVD at the same time from multiple DVD Drives ?

I have had two instances going on occasion.

I usually have 3 or 4 to do at one time and would like to have them ALL going at the same time.

3 or 4 at a time ? Is that your rental limit ?

I tried it and it does not like it. when I start the second it does something that "whacks" the first already running copy.

Naturally it slows the first one down. If you theoretically only have half the processing power and half the transfer speed then it it going to slow the whole process down considerably. In all honesty it is probably quicker to do each one from go to woe separately so that you don't have data flying all over the place. Your IDE device setup is a big factor in determining the transfer speeds, and thus the speed that DVDShrink can do its magic.

Suggestions ? What would happen if I renamed the dvdshrink exe and made a new folder to run 2 copies. I imaging this will not work since its probably going to still have some common globals built into the program and that is likely where the conflict it.

I would agree.

suggestions?

Make sure you are only backing up DVDs you actually own, and do them one by one

[US Guy]

Is there anyway to run DVD Skrink MULTIPLE times simultaneously IE shrinking more than 1 DVD at the same time from multiple DVD Drives ?

I usually have 3 or 4 to do at one time and would like to have them ALL going at the same time.

I tried it and it does not like it. when I start the second it does something that "whacks" the first already running copy.

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suggestions?

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

How much money do you have? FFFF. You can get a server with 4 or 8 cpus, 8 G of RAM0 and multiple DVD roms on SCSI, etc. etc.

I give up...............
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(( Not suitable for minors ))

[mats.hogberg]

You'll probably just find that running four rips at once takes more time than ripping them one by one.

/Mats

[hech54]

The Blockbuster nearest you:
4551 New Falls Rd
Levittown, PA 19056
(215) 946-2700
Store Hours:
Mon - Sun: 10:00AM - Midnight
...is open till midnight. Maybe you could ask them to stay open 24 hours?

[overloaded_ide]

What version are you using, have you tried the other ones?

I use Beta3 still on my main box. As I recall it did not install into windows, I just clicked the EXE file in the folder to run it. Same thing with the older version 2.? . I did make a shortcut to it in windows, but it's not actaully installed into windows like most programs.

The Newest Version 3.? seemed to install itself into windows however. I don't know if it just made a shortcut to itself or actually installed like other stuff does. Reason I mention this is since they install differently, perhaps an older or newer version will behave differently also. Not atually installed into windows might let several copies run at once, or make 3 folders of DVDShrink and run each folder as a seperate app instead of opening the same EXE file 3 times.

Try a few things and see what happens. Myself I am not insterested in doing this so never tried it. Same type Ideas I mentioned have worked with other types of programs I have needed to run several instances at once though. For instance I had a small BBS running (before Interenet) and the program itself would only load one time from the install folder EXE. I needed more user logins for mutlie users so I installed the program in several folders, each copy would run so many users and I ran several copies at once and just linked them all to the same data files in one folder.
Worked very well, only problem was online chat did not work between the various running copies. Perhaps Shrink will work from seperate folders, just not the same one 3 times, and an older or newer version might work better at it also.

Personally I have more than 5 systems available so I don't need to here.
Set could set 2 at my office before leaving, 3 at home before going to bed and all 5 would be done before needing the systems again for other things.
But I geuss if you have only 1 or 2 systems it could be usefull to run more than once. Everyone thinks of doing things in a hurry, but if your going to sleep for 6hrs who cares how long it takes as long as it works and is done when you wake up right!!
Always a bummer when you have to keep that 5th NetFlix disk an extra day eh

Just joking, I can see real reasons it might be handy. Like I do theatre plays for a group, for a low quality DVD of the last 4 plays I could shrink the last four disks I made them and combine to one disk. Quality would suffer, but it would be handy to have as a history of the group type thing.
Or doing movie only DVDs I could put 2 on one disk, like ScoobyDoo 1 and 2 (when I buy it). Finally came out at the rental store the 14th, give it another 2 weeks and Wal-mart should have it (if they don't already).
Blues Brothers 1 and 2 same disk, ect...

I'm gonna let the kid have a slumber party at the office in about a week, making some Lower quality multie movie disks might be nice for that, only have 1 Friday the 13th 1-4 disk get ruined with popcorn butter and salt finger prints instead 4 disks

[nerys]

honestly I do own almost all the dvd's I rip. but I like "settting" the machine to run and then walking away.

When I convert to mpeg1 (all my portable hardware is mpeg1 vcd compatible IE I had a "pvp" 4 or 5 years ago :-) I use tmpgenc. I get it going sometimes 6-9 instances at once. sure it crawls like a snail but I do not care because I am in bed sleeping and when I wake up I have 8 mpg's waiting all done for me.

sure I can shrink a dvd in 1 hour but now I have to RETURN to that machine every hour to get the next one going. if I could get 3 or 4 going at once then I could just goto bed and be done when I wake up in the morning.

rental limit. no that just how many drives I have in the machine. 3 internal and if i need to do I plug in my burner (firewire)

I got my dvd-r burner 2 years ago when they cost a wee bit so I got a nice external one so I can plug it into any of my machines.

so I can have upto 4 dvd drives acessable on my desktop or 3 on the laptop (2 internal plus the external) if I need to.

every dvd I have (quite a few) almost never see the light of day.

I open them rip them convert to mpg1 and save.

when I ahve 4.3gig it gets burned to 2 dvd-r's one goes in my library one goes in the backup library the dvd goes in the lock box.

when the family watches my movies they are watching the mpeg1's on the dvd-r's if they wreck/steal/lose it I take out the backup and burn off another 40 cent disc instead of buying another $15 to $40 dvd :-)

I am pretty big into movies. its a hobby so I have quite the collection.

I never botherd with "downloading" movies. its a royal and I mean ROYAL pain in the ass and usually its a crummy cam or nearly as bad divx something or other. I just wait for it to hit the store and buy it. much easier much better quality and it keeps my moral compass on an even keel :-)

I buy an average of 10-30 dvd's per month. (I am into all movies so I am all over the usual walmart $5 movies bins :-) etc..

its my hobby :-)

so I am doing a lot of ripping. first convert to mpg1 to add to my collection (the originals are NEVER played except the first time to make sure they work) and now a days also converting to a 200mb divx file for portable viewing. I have submitted to needing to do this since sd cards are too small to effectively use mpg1 (even though my zodiac plays mpg1 better than it does divx) although now you can get 1gb cards for under $100 !!!

when we get 5gb cards I won't have to use divx anymore !!! :-) since it takes 4-10 HOURS to convert EACH movie to divx (I can make it go faster but the quality hits the shitter when I do that) and this is on a 3ghz machine !!!

I really like movies :-)

dvd2one works multi instance. as for dvd shrink I like it better and I can OPEN multiple instance fine but when I click BACKUP and it has that work in progress window. now when I click backup to the SECOND instance it KILLS that work in progress window from the first instance. :-(

dvd shrink is nicer though and free so I was hoping to get it to work multi instance. $40 for dvd2one means 3-6 fewer dvd's this month :-( :-)

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[overloaded_ide]

(I am into all movies so I am all over the usual walmart $5 movies bins etc..

Ya, me too. Though I don't buy nearly as many as you, I am always searching for my favorites in the $5 bins. Though to be honest about it I sort of cheat and take the shortcut sometimes with back ups of those. I buy 2!
Well, at least when the DVDs were costing me over $1, add a case, all the work, and could not yet print the backup disks. And sometimes I still do buy 2 anyway.

Though I don't need anything other than DVD and VHS myself right now.
And ya I still buy alot of VHS! I backup both ways sometimes too. DVD movies only to VHS tapes and VHS tapes to DVD. I have both players and still many people don't have DVD yet. One of my Daughters friends still has only VHS, so when Scoobydoo2 comes out I will buy that on DVD then make a backup DVD to watch, and of course since the daughter stays at the friends house sometimes I will back up to VHS also so they can watch the movie there. Then when her friend stays here she can watch the extras on the disk

[jimmalenko]

honestly I do own almost all the dvd's I rip.

I would suggest that you should own every movie you rip.

I use tmpgenc. I get it going sometimes 6-9 instances at once. sure it crawls like a snail but I do not care because I am in bed sleeping and when I wake up I have 8 mpg's waiting all done for me.

Did you know that TMPGEnc has a batch encoder ? It might be easier/quicker/better for you to use the one instance but have the jobs batched up.


The suggestions made earlier about previous version of DVDShrink might be worth looking into. It is quite possible that because they are standalone EXEs that you might be able to get a couple of instances running at once. The only drawback is that you are restricted in the features of the earlier versions, ie. output to hard Disk folders only.

[mats.hogberg]

in the features of the earlier versions, ie. output to hard Disk folders only

Unless he has as many DVD writers as DVD readers, that option is the one that counts...

/Mats

[noki]

I am always searching for my favorites in the $5 bins.

that's fine, but have you ever gone to BlockBuster and checked out their previous rental SALES bins?? I have found current released DVDs (well, a month or two old) for $10. and ever now and then it's 3 for $20. And they are in good condition too. Well, at least good enough to backup.

[overloaded_ide]

I would suggest that you should own every movie you rip

Well, most of the time you should anyway, a few exceptions

Ripping a DVD of mine without owning it would be exceptable most of the time! I produce original content disks and it is perfectly exceptable for one to be ripped/burned and passed on to a friend, or the friend rip yours is fine too!
I know others who feel the same way also that are making DVDs for various uses. Since WE own the content and all rights only WE have to right to say rather it's ok or not, and WE say most of it is OK.
This will be part of peoples shrinking questions soon too since some of our stuff will be being burned onto DL disks and when ripped will need to be shrunk for SL disks.
Many people do use shrinking/rippig tools just for a copy, I do it myself on my own disks.

Also, if a friend owns a DVD but not a PC and Burner, he still has the same right to own a backup of his disk as we equipment owners have for backing up ours, so again the Own ALMOST ALL does applie legitimately when making the friend HIS backup the HE owns

Got's to read between the lines looking for the positives

The only drawback is that you are restricted in the features of the earlier versions, ie. output to hard Disk folders only.

Actually that would be the best option in this case anyway. I know if I was trying to rip 3-5 disks on one computer I would not want disk 1 to complete and a burner kick in trying to burn while 2 or more were still ripping. Plus if unatended you got a disk in the drive that can't be burnt anyway. And if it's on the fly, ripping from one drive and burning to the next, I would not want to be running 6 drives at once that way, 3 being ripped, 3 being burnt
OOOhhh, what I mess I can see there

Burning 6 copies of the same Hard drive source would be different.But on the fly 3 ripping and burning?? I wouldn't do it!

[overloaded_ide]

Capmaster,
Where did that warning for warez come in?
Did I miss something, something edited out before I read it or what?
I never read anything about warez in his posts.

[Capmaster]

Capmaster,
Where did that warning for warez come in?
Did I miss something, something edited out before I read it or what?
I never read anything about warez in his posts.

I struggled with it ...reread it and his other post ......debated it in my head.

I was going to let it go with an informal warning, mainly on the strength of his statement about not wanting screeners or downloaded warez.

The comment I debated was his first, about "I own most of the DVDs I rip". Now if his post had been brief, and hadn't mentioned all the elaborate duping efforts, that would have been enough to convince me he probably meant the ones he didn't own were his friend's non-copyrighted drag-racing videos ...or home movies - a common claim by warez hounds. But I wouldn't have more to go on, so that would have been it.

Then I reread it a few more times, looked at the wording, and - more importantly - how his home setup would be perceived by noobs skimming his posts, and decided that it's too close to the line. It sounds like he has an illegal DVD duping operation. Rental rips were mentioned, and denied by him, but I got the sense that he quite skillfully danced around that issue by shifting the subject quickly to his hardware.

Maybe that wasn't his intent, but it was how it could be perceived, and legal liability being what it is, that's all someone would need to hold this site liable - "perceived wrongdoing". In the case of any warez here, we have a zero tolerance policy. It was a judgment call.

[MackemX]

probably that 1st line

[overloaded_ide]

Thanks for the reply on that,
Wasn't questioning the call, just not sure.

Ya, with all the legal crapola sometimes you gotta watch the lines really close.

I look at everything from a created my own content type perspective when I can or general comments type thing.

Like I mention Scoobydoo2 labels in another post, we all know it just hit the rental stores the 14th and I dought Wal-marts selling it yet, but then again I never said anything about making any backups of it. I was just talking about the hub of it, but knowing what many people would think and start posting, I clairfied I was talking about the comercail disk which I will be buying later and do not yet have any copies of, but will when I buy it.
Since my kid is a Scooby NUT I have to buy anything that has Scooby on it. Even her school backpack is a Scoobydoo product!!

Ella Enchated I will probably have to buy her also! She loves the book, so I know she's going to want the movie too, I might as well save a disk for it for the day it hits the wal-mart shelves.

[overloaded_ide]

probably that 1st line

Yep, but there are some things that are ok not to own.
Like I already mentioned.
Also, I need to get more info on this, but I already heard a sound track for one song and it was good, not being into modern music I don't know who he said the group was though.

I got a friend that's working on some type of public safety anti drug type DVD for some outfit. I don't know all the details but it's going to be a freebie DVD sort of like AOL disks

Not actually public domain, it's copy righted, but every household in the country should have 4 free disks laying there right next to the AOL coffecup coasters

And since it saves them money by NOT paying to produce all the disks and mail them to everyone in the country 4 times a year, they fully support making your own copies and giving them to your friends and anyone else that wants one. Saves them money!

He was telling me it's got some popular aritists and songs written specail just for this DVD which are also going to be legally shareable like on P2P networks!! I don't know any more than that about it really except it is to have Music videos, some type movie, and I think he said something about the songs being already set up for MP3 to make it easy to share them.

The world may be chaging for the better

Finally a group that wants to put P2P and home made copies to good use, and gives you LEGAL RIGHTS to do it!!

[nerys]

what the hell was that about ? you made a judgment call ???

I will say this once and only once. if you do not get it I do not care as I will not change my content that is perfectly legal.

I do not do warez. period. end of discussion non negotiable.

the LEAST you could have done was ask for clarification. instead you just took it upon yourself to assume that I was a complete moron considering THIS

# Do NOT give warez.
# Do NOT link to warez .
# Do NOT ask for warez.
# Do NOT provide information how to obtain warez.
# Do NOT advocate warez.
# Warez includes downloaded copyrighted movies, movies that are not yet released on VHS/DVD and copying rented movies.

at the top of every freaking page.

I so apprecaite your vote of confidence of lack therof on my intelligence level.

I tend to not make BLANKET statements. I own SO many movies that there is no way I can guarentee that I own every single one. Hell I know for a fact there are a few I do not (lost damaged etc.. before I got organized)

I sure as hell am not going to throw away my backup. thats what I have it for.

I own my setup simply because I can. my gadgets are another one of my hobbies. I got tired of being at the machine so I installed enough hardware to be able to do it "all at once" since time was not an issue. DVD drives are $15 a pop at shows. THAT why I have 4 of them. my laptop CAME with 2 internally.

Note I only have ONE burner. they are too expensive to have more than one (although they are getting cheaper I still see no point in have more than one when one does me just fine)

??? you know something. I have NO need to explain myself to you. if my posts get me banned so be it. guess the fifth warning will be the last time I post here.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[nerys]

"I would suggest that you should own every movie you rip."

You would be surprised how many movies are public domain. (yes I am into OLD movies) ie from before I was born kind of old.

these you can copy to your hearts content legally. I try to own them. (sorry but to me a copy is just not the same thing as OWNING it) some however are VERY hard to find. have to prowl ebay for them. Netflix has a Very good selection. maybe it its not moderator illegal I will dig up a site that has researched all the "public domain" movies in existance on dvd etc...

then you have the ones that are lost or damaged. I have a lot of movies. I do not even know the exact number. just remember that terabyte statement is for mpeg1 NOT mpeg2. so around 900-1200 meg a movie not 4gig.

I probabably have over a thousand dvd's

I know about tmpgenc batch but if it "fails" at any point the entire process holts. if I run multiple instance and one fails the rest continue unaffected.

anything warnable in that ?

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[noki]

Since my kid is a Scooby NUT I have to buy anything that has Scooby on it. !!

Ella Enchated I will probably have to buy her also!

bet it will be $10 or less at BB (in the rental sales bins) in late Oct. I tell you this is a great place to buy DVDs as long as you don't might they are not virgins.

[jimmalenko]

in the features of the earlier versions, ie. output to hard Disk folders only

Unless he has as many DVD writers as DVD readers, that option is the one that counts...

&

I know if I was trying to rip 3-5 disks on one computer I would not want disk 1 to complete and a burner kick in trying to burn while 2 or more were still ripping. Plus if unatended you got a disk in the drive that can't be burnt anyway. And if it's on the fly, ripping from one drive and burning to the next, I would not want to be running 6 drives at once that way, 3 being ripped, 3 being burnt
OOOhhh, what I mess I can see there

Sorry, I should have been more specific. In these circumstances my preference would be to output to ISO, which AFAIK wasn't available in the earlier editions unless you ran them through AutoShrinkISO

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the LEAST you could have done was ask for clarification. instead you just took it upon yourself to assume that I was a complete moron considering THIS

# Do NOT give warez.
# Do NOT link to warez .
# Do NOT ask for warez.
# Do NOT provide information how to obtain warez.
# Do NOT advocate warez.
# Warez includes downloaded copyrighted movies, movies that are not yet released on VHS/DVD and copying rented movies.

at the top of every freaking page.

I so apprecaite your vote of confidence of lack therof on my intelligence level.

You would be surprised as to how many very intelligent people blatantly ignore this when posting to this forum. It is not a judgement of your intelligence.

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I know about tmpgenc batch but if it "fails" at any point the entire process holts. if I run multiple instance and one fails the rest continue unaffected.

Good point. I was just trying to allay any possible problems with shared files that TMPGEnc might use, that's all.

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anything warnable in that ?

Ease up, mate. The mods around here don't warn people to get off on it. If you think you have been harshly done by, take it on the chin and PM the mod in a calm manner, asking how you infringed. If you can offer a suitable explanation I'm sure the yellow will dissappear

[nerys]

ehh I was just in a bad mood. was really set me off was that he SPECIFIED that it was "Gray" (FYI not gray at all to me BTW) and yet decided I was a scumbag and warned me anyway.

the warn itself was not the issue. it was how it was decided.

he chose to assume I was a scumball instead of giving me the benifit of the doubt.

when we start policing ourselves to that extent then the ones desiring to remove out freedoms have won by default.

you do know that a judge has already basically started the end of our right to make backups of dvd's right ? she said yes we have the right to a backup no we do not have the right to decrypt the disc. basically saying we do not by default have the right to a backup since making a backup mandates decrypting it which she specified as not legal. cute ehh ?

Freedom of speech is not against the law and not illegal also nothing I said broke ANY law or social norma anywhere that I am aware of.

ehh it just bugs me. with all the crap going on in our country the last few years I have been getting on edge over things like this.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[jimmalenko]

Read this again:

... more importantly - how his home setup would be perceived by noobs skimming his posts, and decided that it's too close to the line. It sounds like he has an illegal DVD duping operation. Rental rips were mentioned, and denied by him, but I got the sense that he quite skillfully danced around that issue by shifting the subject quickly to his hardware.

Maybe that wasn't his intent, but it was how it could be perceived, and legal liability being what it is, that's all someone would need to hold this site liable - "perceived wrongdoing". In the case of any warez here, we have a zero tolerance policy. It was a judgment call.

I can assure you that Capmaster is very fair and it is his job as a mod to police the rules of this forum, rules which have been designed to allow the forum to continue without bringing undue attention to it for the practices it is perceived to condone. I won't go into the "court of law" legality debate as I don't know enough about law.

The easiest way to avoid any scrutiny is not to mention the specifics

[nerys]

that bogus. thats like someone describing there Corvette they suped up on a car forum and being wanred because with a car like that its implied he was a street racer and that would bring undue attention to the forum etc..

thats just silly. I made it pretty clear and he mentioned as much that I was not doing warez. he then proceed to assume I was a scumbag by saying I skirted around the issue by talking about my hardware.

I skirted around nothing. there was simply nothing more to say on that specific aspect of the discussion. the group DOES specify NOT to discuss that aspect so I did not and THAT ie following the RULES of the forum is what made him suspicious of my "true" motives ? come on

egg its a moot issue anyway. I do not care. if I get banned via warns so be it. its not my forum so there is little to nothing I can do about it.

I will enjoy and contribute as best I can for as long as I am allowed to. simple as that.

my moral compass is quite clear and acceptable to me.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[jimmalenko]

egg its a moot issue anyway. I do not care. if I get banned via warns so be it. its not my forum so there is little to nothing I can do about it.

I will enjoy and contribute as best I can for as long as I am allowed to. simple as that.

my moral compass is quite clear and acceptable to me.

Good. Let's put it behind us and move on, shall we ?

[Capmaster]

nerys,
Warning removed.
See PM inbox for reason.

what the hell was that about ? you made a judgment call ???

Yes.
Quote from the AUP Rules:

All disputes that arise from conflicts or vagueness in the AUP are to be decided soley by the webmasters or their moderators

[mats.hogberg]

Sorry, I should have been more specific. In these circumstances my preference would be to output to ISO, which AFAIK wasn't available in the earlier editions unless you ran them through AutoShrinkISO

True, as always, jimmalenko!

/Mats

[overloaded_ide]

"I would suggest that you should own every movie you rip."

I see a problem with your wording now also with some of the other stuff you mentioned. It's simply the way you reffer to somethings though.

Lost, Damged, or stolen?? Hey you still own those guy! You just do not have them available to use! If some-one steals your car, yes you still own it, you just don't have it! You did not lose your right of ownership! If car is ever recovered then you still own it! Same as if some-one breaks into your house and steals the TV and VCR computer etc.. You still own those and if the thief is ever caught you can get them back!

And of course the same applies to lost or damaged too! Get drunk and forget where you parked your car? You lost it, but still own it (though you don't need it!!!) or hit a tree and have to have it towed home? Not useable, but you do own it!

And yes, public domain movies do exist all over the place. BUT watch the loop holes on those! The movie is public domain in it's original content BUT not menus and other artwork or extra's that may have been added. Also in question is if the movie was changed itself, stupidity of law exists that if you take a public domain work and change it you can copyright the new version! That's a load of crap, but you have to watch out for it! If I resize just a little or crop the edge I OWN the copyright to a public domain movie??? BULLSH!T!!!
The original is still PD but not my revised version! Now colorizing or something maybe, but not minor stuff should applie!

[overloaded_ide]

Oh ya on public domain,
You do own that! That's what public domain is, the public owns it and I assume you are a member of the public

And like I said about somethings are just meant to be shared anyway even if we do not actaully own them.
I was at a concert the other night (few weeks ago) and the band said to be sure to visit their website and download free one of the new songs they wrote and recorded.

I yelled out "GO KAZA" jokingly and they responded "RIGHT ON" and stated they have songs on there too! They put them there! These are unknowns basicaly, but several famous popular bands also use Kazza for thier own works, not every song but some! If the copyright holder actually make works available though such percieved as warez sites or networks, then it is NOT warez and nameing something like KAZZA is not a violation of rules when talking about LEGAL stuff!

And that's where my rights are violated!! The aboved statement naming a P2P by name like that on some forums could get me banded outright, but is it NOT part of my freedom of speach to do so when talking about stuff that is perfectly legal!!!

Yes I do agree to banning the illegal warez stuff and that does NOT violate my rights, but there are those fine lines too.

Course I generaly respect the rules of any forum, another of my rights and thiers too. If I don't like it I can go elsewhere, so since I like it here I try not to break rules

[Capmaster]

Making calls on warez when it's not obvious is difficult sometimes. In nerys' case, I erred on the side of caution. When I saw his response to the yellow I realized my error and corrected it, and sent him an apology PM. We're not mind readers and it happens. The important thing then becomes correcting the mistake.

And that's where my rights are violated!! The aboved statement naming a P2P by name like that on some forums could get me banded outright, but is it NOT part of my freedom of speach to do so when talking about stuff that is perfectly legal!!!

The "freedom of speech" issue is a good argument for society, but it doesn't apply here. There are many "legal" things you cannot talk about here.

You have freedom of speech here - only up to a point. I think this forum is very lenient in the language and discussion topics it allows. I've belonged to some heavily censored forums before, and it's not much fun.

Videohelp is a private forum and we're all guests here. You cannot discuss religion here. Or politics, or warez. Those are the forum rules and membership is not mandatory, nor is it a right of yours to be here.

There is no court system for AUP violations. You break the rules, you get a warning. You keep breaking them and you get banned. Think of it as the same as being invited over to someone's house and sitting in the living room discussing video. If the owner of the house feels you are disrupting his house by breaking the house rules, he'll warn you. Do it more and he'll show you to the door.