90 minute disc problem

[JackMartinEF]

I burned a compilation. The total time is 89:15. When I burnt it NERO said I had to OVERBURN (I dont know why because the CD is 90mins not 74). So, I burnt the cd like that. Anyway, the outcome is that the cd doesnt play so well in one of my cd players.

Why does it think I need to overnurn (which then creates problems)?

[indolikaa]

Not all CD players handle 90 or 99 minute CDs. From my experience, car CD players have the most problems. The track pitch is reduced to a point where many optics packages have problems tracking the data.

The problem with playback is more likely a result of this than it is Nero.

As for Nero's warning about Overburning. When you try to burn a 90-minute CD with Nero, you are exceeding what Nero knows is the Red Book standard for CD-DA compilations. Nero can burn beyond the 74/80 minute boundary, but it's considered an Overburn, even if the disc holds plenty of space beyond that.

90-minute and 99-minute CDs are not considered Spec CDs, so they aren't guaranteed to play in all CD players.

[DereX888]

I never had problem you've described, and I burnt alot of 90min and 99min CD-Rs. Perhaps youve burnt it in TAO mode (Track-At-Once) instead of DAO (Disc-...)? I would think its impossible to overburn in TAO with NEro, but then I dont know foir sure, and I use Nero 5.5 which isnt the newest either.
My oldest cd-player is JVC carousel player from 1994 (which supposedly dont even recognise CD-Rs - this info was on JVC's site cpl years ago during the advent of 'new' CD-R boom, now there is not even any mention of my old model there LOL) anyway this old player has no problem to play or jump to any tracks on 90/99min discs, as last as the last audio track starts before 99th minute.

edit:
Im absent minded today, sorry, I forgot the most important part LOL:
...But this old player have problems to playback tracks starting after 78th minute if the disc was burnt in TAO mode.
So - if you've burnt it in TAO mode, then this is probably the reason. Try DAO mode. If youve burnt your troublesome disc in DAO then I have no clue

[indolikaa]

You're lucky.


I have two car stereos that won't even recognize 90-minute CDs. They won't even get past the TOC, they just ERR out and spit up the disc.

Track-At-Once. Does anybody ever use that format? I always DAO and set the track pause manually...

Very interesting.

[DereX888]

Ha, I had once car stereo with front-loading cd player, this f***g POS (made by f***g sony ofcoz, who else) couldnt even play standard 74min CD-R burnt at 1x .... (Im getting mad when I think of it again, f***g expensive sony POS, rrrrrrrr >:/ )

Yeah, I guess no one ever uses TAO nowaday, it was used only because some cd writer couldnt do DAO in the past? I think? (for music CDs I mean, not for data ofcoz).

[JackMartinEF]

Im not sure if I use TAO or DAO. I always select "NO PAUSE BETWEEN TRACKS" . Is that the same as DAO?

[DereX888]

This should be DAO, TAO always adds pauses on CDDAs. But then again - in theory you could make non-standard CDDA in TAO with 0-pauses (in theory because I dont know is it possible with Nero at all).

Since you dont know is it your player or is it your writer's settings, easiest would be burning same 90min audio CD with another burning software and trying it out on your player. Or getting some 90min CDDA made by someone else who knows it dos play pefectly on his players, and just testing it on your player.


For testing purposes I have created once 90min CDDA with many 30sec tracks on it, just first track was 74min long, and each another track started after that long one every 30 seconds, IIRC last one ended at 90:15
We used to test "discmans" with this disc at the stores before me or any of my friends bought any of them. You would be surprised how many players had navigation problems to start playing from tracks starting above ~78-80th minute just 2-3 years ago

[JackMartinEF]

Yeah, Actually it was my Discman that had the trouble playing it. It plays fine on my stereo.

[chicola]

We used to test "discmans" with this disc at the stores before me or any of my friends bought any of them. You would be surprised how many players had navigation problems to start playing from tracks starting above ~78-80th minute just 2-3 years ago

What about DVD players, DereX? Did you test them or were these more permissible?