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    OK, I've learned how to capture, a little.

    I've captured and burned small clips successfully by capturing in MPEG2 format using the TV Tuner function in the ATI All In Wonder 9000.

    However, when I tried to burn a larger file, a backup of one of my VHS movies, the burn option was not available when I imported into the Sonic MyDVD program for burning to DVD. The file was 4.192 gigabytes. Is that too large for burning to a 4.7 gig DVD (Khypervision DVD-R)? The movie was 107 minutes total.

    I tried pinnacle Studio 8 first. That program STINKS. I dropped frames when I used it to capture, I can't import captured video to edit in it. So, I gave up and went to the MYDVD program.

    My question is: What setting should I use to get a good quality duplication of my VHS tapes on DVD.

    SVCD?
    MPEG 1?
    MPEG 2?

    And, how can you determine how large of a file a 4.7 DVD will accept?

    Are there ways to convert the files captured at high MPEG formats into usable size for burning to DVD?

    What's a dummy to do?
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  2. You need to do some (A lot) of reading. At the left of this page are links that will take you to loads of guides on capturing, conversion, authoring and burning.

    As to the problem with MyDvd. My guess would be your captured mpeg file has mp2 audio (compressed). MyDvd converts all audio into LPCM (uncompressed) massivley increasing the file size. Thats why it won't fit. If MyDvd will let you, author anyway and create a video titleset (VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS(empty) folders with .vob, .ifo and .bup files) on your HD. Then use DVDshrink to reduce it down to 4.3Gigs.

    Or use a different authoring program that accepts mp2 audio.
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    Originally Posted by videodummy
    OK, I've learned how to capture, a little.
    You're right, you have

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    I've captured and burned small clips successfully by capturing in MPEG2 format using the TV Tuner function in the ATI All In Wonder 9000.

    However, when I tried to burn a larger file, a backup of one of my VHS movies, the burn option was not available when I imported into the Sonic MyDVD program for burning to DVD. The file was 4.192 gigabytes. Is that too large for burning to a 4.7 gig DVD (Khypervision DVD-R)? The movie was 107 minutes total.
    Win98se has a 4gb file limit.
    You've been bright enough to fill in your computer profile.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    I tried pinnacle Studio 8 first. That program STINKS. I dropped frames when I used it to capture, I can't import captured video to edit in it. So, I gave up and went to the MYDVD program.
    Pinnacle doesn't ******* stink, it's superb if you know how to get the best out of it.
    Sorry you wasted your money on it, what you going to do, et a refund or sell it on ebay?
    Only an idiot would use it for anaolgue captures so I suppose yes, in that respect it does stink.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    My question is: What setting should I use to get a good quality duplication of my VHS tapes on DVD.

    SVCD?
    MPEG 1?
    MPEG 2?
    SVCD and DVD is mpeg2
    VCD is mpeg1.
    You should use mpeg2, obviously, and offset a bitrate that you feel comfortable at with a duration of film you want to put on a DVD.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    And, how can you determine how large of a file a 4.7 DVD will accept?
    I tend not to exceed 4gb, but I believe a DVD5 will accept 4.35gb-ish, not 4.7gb.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    Are there ways to convert the files captured at high MPEG formats into usable size for burning to DVD?
    What does this mean?
    If you've captured at high mpeg formats (?) then you should have captured at a compatable format in which any authoring program will accept as a recognised file.
    Judging by your setup and experience so far my suggestion would be to the read the guides and consider capturing in avi and converting to mpeg with the superb TMPGEnc.
    Then compare these to the mpeg2 you are currently capturing.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    What's a dummy to do?
    Read.
    Good luck
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    Originally Posted by Will Hay
    Originally Posted by videodummy
    OK, I've learned how to capture, a little.
    You're right, you have

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    I've captured and burned small clips successfully by capturing in MPEG2 format using the TV Tuner function in the ATI All In Wonder 9000.

    However, when I tried to burn a larger file, a backup of one of my VHS movies, the burn option was not available when I imported into the Sonic MyDVD program for burning to DVD. The file was 4.192 gigabytes. Is that too large for burning to a 4.7 gig DVD (Khypervision DVD-R)? The movie was 107 minutes total.
    Win98se has a 4gb file limit.
    You've been bright enough to fill in your computer profile.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    I tried pinnacle Studio 8 first. That program STINKS. I dropped frames when I used it to capture, I can't import captured video to edit in it. So, I gave up and went to the MYDVD program.
    Pinnacle doesn't ******* stink, it's superb if you know how to get the best out of it.
    Sorry you wasted your money on it, what you going to do, et a refund or sell it on ebay?
    Only an idiot would use it for anaolgue captures so I suppose yes, in that respect it does stink.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    My question is: What setting should I use to get a good quality duplication of my VHS tapes on DVD.

    SVCD?
    MPEG 1?
    MPEG 2?
    SVCD and DVD is mpeg2
    VCD is mpeg1.
    You should use mpeg2, obviously, and offset a bitrate that you feel comfortable at with a duration of film you want to put on a DVD.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    And, how can you determine how large of a file a 4.7 DVD will accept?
    I tend not to exceed 4gb, but I believe a DVD5 will accept 4.35gb-ish, not 4.7gb.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    Are there ways to convert the files captured at high MPEG formats into usable size for burning to DVD?
    What does this mean?
    If you've captured at high mpeg formats (?) then you should have captured at a compatable format in which any authoring program will accept as a recognised file.
    Judging by your setup and experience so far my suggestion would be to the read the guides and consider capturing in avi and converting to mpeg with the superb TMPGEnc.
    Then compare these to the mpeg2 you are currently capturing.

    Originally Posted by videodummy
    What's a dummy to do?
    Read.
    Good luck
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    Hey great name, and great choice of OS.
    Despite what all the Mac philestines say WinXP is wonderful.
    Keep the name
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    WinXP?
    So update your profile, you lazy shit
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  7. Yep!

    So far the only thing I would disagree with is Will hay saying capture in AVI and Use Tempgenc. Although that might be the BEST thing to do, your haveing too much trouble with the EASY stuff now!

    First as stated, read ALOT! You have much to learn, like ALL dvd R media is the same size, so you don't have to determine how large of a file a 4.7 DVD will accept!

    I tend not to exceed 4gb, but I believe a DVD5 will accept 4.35gb-ish, not 4.7gb
    I also agree with that, I aim for 4gigs. That leaves extra room incase the file comes out a little larger than planned, also some media (especailly cheapo) is claimed to have problems near the end. So I stay back a bit for saftey. You can push the limit and hope for the best at about 4.3 gigs data, or play it safe at 4gigs.

    To help get you started, heres a working methode to capture and produce a working disk quick, THEN READ ALOT and learn better stuff too!

    I also have ATI AIW RADEON.
    First capture mpeg2, 352x480, 48,000 audio. That is about the closest setting for VHS captures that is DVD compliant. Higher than 352x480 is a waste since VHS is a little less, you gain nothing!

    Use the bit rate calculator on this site (can download from tools sedction I think). Enter in DVD and run time of your movie, it will tell you closely your bit rate. Bit rate is about the only thing that effects quality, and also file size! Better quality at higher rates but also much larger files, and less time on a disk! I normally use 6,000 or less, maybe 4,000 for a 2 1/2 movie, or 5,000 for a 2hr. Forgot off hand, not at that system now.
    I have never gotten any better quality using anything above 6,000! At times for a short 30 minute disk I tried 8,000 since I had tons of extra space and no use for it, file size jumped way up there, but quality was no better!

    Once you enter those settings, in ATI capture settings, then capture your file.

    Download Tmpgenc DVD Author! That is the easest and BEST program I have found for a begginer to start with! For me it works EVERYTIME and never a problem! Easy to learn and has great help files, READ THEM!
    Anyway, start program, add your mpeg2 file you just captured, use the various features of the program as you want (like cut sections, add chapters, menu's, etc..) then author your DVD to your hardrive.

    Use Power DVD to preview the DVD you just created. Use file mode and open the first Ifo file. It should play as it would on the disk. Once you see it is correct, then open Tmpgenc DVD author again and use the programs built in burner to burn you disk!

    THAT is as easy as it gets!

    Tmpgenc DVD author is fully working free demo for 30 days. Get it, use it, make some working disks, be happy

    Using the above methodes and settings you should have created a working disk in a few hours. Capture time + User time for DVD creation + 15 minutes program DVD creation + time to preview DVD + burn time!

    Actual time will vary by speed of your system for the actual creation of the DVD files, on mine it runs from 10 minutes for a simple Dvd to about 25 for a really fancy one with several motion menus.

    Once you master this easy way, move on to find fancier ways and ways to get better quality. But this is good for a start.

    People who watch my DVDs can't tell I made them! The quality of the VHS is what you will get on the final DVD basically. People that come to my house while I am watching a movie never know what I am watching! A tape, a DVD-r, Comercail Disk, DVD -r backup of a comercail disk!
    Only time they can tell is if I actually am watching a poor quality VHS tape, then they know I didn't make it because I never have tracking errors
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