DVD copyright restriction. Need help

[ojtwelve]

I was trying to copy a dvd for a friend however it restricted me from copying it. DVD is an authentic dvd bought from store. I am aware of the copyright restrictions. Is there something I can get or do so that I will be able to copy this dvd?

[housepig]

copying a store bought disc for a friend is not a legal backup, so it's against the forum rules to talk about it. Sorry.

[tompika]

Is it illegal to backup a DVD for a friend when the friend is the owner?

[MOVIEGEEK]

Is it illegal to backup a DVD for a friend when the friend is the owner?

Technically all DVD(copyrighted) backups are illegal in the US(DMCA).Fair use wasn't intended for DVD only TV->VCR.
I don't want to start a flamewar though.

[BJ_M]

Is it illegal to backup a DVD for a friend when the friend is the owner?

there are several guides on how to do this on the left

[housepig]

Is it illegal to backup a DVD for a friend when the friend is the owner?

first, that's not clear from the post - is he copying a friend's disc, or is he copying his disc for a friend?

and second, yeah, it is. this poster is providing a service that is engaged in an illegal act, because friend or not, the poster is not the owner, so he has no right to run a backup. if the friend wants his disc copied, he needs to get his own burner.

[BJ_M]

housepig - yea , i'm unclear also on what he want to do. But he could assist his friend in making a backup (is what I hope he is trying to do)

otherwise - as stated -- its not for this forum ..

[tompika]

and second, yeah, it is. this poster is providing a service that is engaged in an illegal act, because friend or not, the poster is not the owner, so he has no right to run a backup. if the friend wants his disc copied, he needs to get his own burner.

What you are saying is a bit silly.

[Hardcoreruss]

and second, yeah, it is. this poster is providing a service that is engaged in an illegal act, because friend or not, the poster is not the owner, so he has no right to run a backup. if the friend wants his disc copied, he needs to get his own burner.

What you are saying is a bit silly.

I agree

[freestyler]

I also agree.

[Roderz]

I also concur

[holistic]

Arrrrh what the hell......put me down for horse #4 in race#6 for a placing.

[ojtwelve]

Did not know this was illegal. Please disregard my post. Will tell friend he has to go buy his own dvd. Sorry for the post.

[holistic]

Before the FBI knocks on the door , do yourself a favour and actually read the wealth of information in the HOW TO section .
The information you seek is there.......just an hours reading away.

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[andydd]

Huh ?.

Wot is housepig on ?

Im sure that 90 % of the stuff talked about in here is regarding 'illegal' activities..(ie ..copying a DVD). .. Whether or not you own the original is pretty irrelevant in most countries anyway. It says on the Warning. It is illegal to make copies of this DVD. But of course the majority of us do..thats why we bought a DVD writer and thats why we come here.

This site is getting a bit silly at times, first of all ..it was this anti-warez stuff , where people cant even mention the word 'download' and now we cant even talk about 'copying' (coz ..lets face facts..not many of us 'back-up') DVDs. Is it called DVDRHELP or am i imagining things ?

OJTWELEVE

Dont worry..you asked a perfectly valid question and the answer is you use software like DVDdecrypter to remove the CSS code and copy the DVD to your harddrive..There are 100s of guides on how to do it !

[housepig]

What you are saying is a bit silly.

Tompika -

if you'd like to point out where my point is legally invalid, I'm all ears.

andydd -

man! I'm so glad you set me straight - I thought this site was about making backups of stuff I owned, not stuff my friends own. I better buy a whole lot more discs and get cracking - I'm not holding up my end of the 90% of illegal copying on this site!

[Duchess]

This site is getting a bit silly at times, first of all ..it was this anti-warez stuff , where people cant even mention the word 'download' and now we cant even talk about 'copying' (coz ..lets face facts..not many of us 'back-up') DVDs. Is it called DVDRHELP or am i imagining things ?

We are trying to protect this site. If it is open to discussion on things illegal then we can fully expect to see it shut down at some time, and that would be a great shame as there is a wealth of information available here. At this point in time the matter of whether doing backups is illegal has yet to be proved in a court, either in the USA or any other part of the world. However, piracy is illegal and there is no argument about the fact.

[ojtwelve]

I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE CAUSED WITH MY QUESTION. THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION. I AM FAIRLY NEW TO THIS SITE AND TO THE DVD BURNING PROCESS AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT MY QUESTION WOULD JEOPARDIZE THIS SITE. AGAIN I APOLOGIZE.

[SMHarman]

This site is getting a bit silly at times, first of all ..it was this anti-warez stuff , where people cant even mention the word 'download' and now we cant even talk about 'copying' (coz ..lets face facts..not many of us 'back-up') DVDs. Is it called DVDRHELP or am i imagining things ?

We are trying to protect this site. If it is open to discussion on things illegal then we can fully expect to see it shut down at some time, and that would be a great shame as there is a wealth of information available here. At this point in time the matter of whether doing backups is illegal has yet to be proved in a court, either in the USA or any other part of the world. However, piracy is illegal and there is no argument about the fact.

Where are the servers actually based. Move the hosting to Greece, Hungary, Turkey, anywhere in Asia and that problem is resolved. Admitiedly it would probably slow the response times down, but they would still exist.

[Duchess]

Where are the servers actually based. Move the hosting to Greece, Hungary, Turkey, anywhere in Asia and that problem is resolved. Admitiedly it would probably slow the response times down, but they would still exist.

I don't know where they are, but I do know that most of the countries you have mentioned are up for inclusion in the EEC. And if accepted they will have to obey EEC regulations which will include piracy regs. So that will just leave Asia as a possibility but even there it may only be temprary as they are also under pressure to conform.

[housepig]

I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE CAUSED .....

ojtwelve -

don't worry about it - you've obviously understood the message.

now you will learn something about the nature of message boards - you may not want to keep the discussion going, or have gotten an answer, but other issues and opinions have been raised, and other people aren't done with it, so it's going to keep going.

by the way, check your keyboard - I think your CAPS LOCK key is stuck.

[hothandiman]

Although I have only been around this forum for about a year, I have noticed quite a evolution in this time. I started here wanting to make VCD's and SVCD's. I made a few of these and quickly decided it was not worth the time and effort. So I was on to DVD burning. This site used to seem more directed to DVD "back ups" There now seems to be much more interest now in authoring home videos, new equipment, software, production, and just digital video in general. Let's face it: this is a great hobby, and profession for some. I would say almost no one here has made any money other than those who produce videos for industries, weddings, ect. I think the 90% figure above is high. That being said, some activities officially frowned upon by the forum IMHO actually lead to stimulating the sales of products: Burners, blank media, and most recently, the legal pay download services like buymusic.com, the new napster, etc. Just one man's opinion.

[tompika]

@housepig

So you're saying its fair to backup my DVDs but its not fair to assist my friend in making a backup for him/herself.

I'd like to have the Administrator's opinion.

[bugster]

I'm no lawyer by any stretch of the imagination. Indeed there are probably many around these forums with a much better knowledge of copywrite and other applicable laws than myself. However, AFAIK, there have yet to be any prosecutions, under any laws, in any country, where a private individual has been prosecuted, and found guilty, for backing up a legally owned DVD. Until such a case comes to court then the issue is still a legal grey area. From my (very limited) understanding of US Law, the rights of Fair Use seem to be contradicted by the DMCA. Until a suitable case has been heard in the courts, no-one can say for definite what the outcome will be. Here in the UK we have no legally protected Fair Use rights and recently enacted into Law an EU directive that is apparently even more restrictive than the DMCA. Even so, the same thing applies. Until tested in court no one can know for sure the outcome of any prosecution under such a law.

Taking all this one step further, and this is purely opinion, it seems to me that IF it is legal to back up your own legally owned DVD movies, then there should be nothing illegal about doing the same thing for a friend and his legally owned movies as long as no money changes hands and the friend retains both the original and backup copies.

Just my 2 pennies worth!

[tompika]

What you are saying is a bit silly.

Tompika -

if you'd like to point out where my point is legally invalid, I'm all ears.

I was trying to copy a dvd for a friend however it restricted me from copying it. DVD is an authentic dvd bought from store. I am aware of the copyright restrictions. Is there something I can get or do so that I will be able to copy this dvd?

So the DVD could be the friend's properity.
Also he didn't metion he was in the US or Germany.
We all agree that it is fair to make a copy of your legally owned DVDs, right?
So here you go:

So you're saying its fair to backup my DVDs but its not fair to assist my friend in making a backup for him/herself.

Taking all this one step further, and this is purely opinion, it seems to me that IF it is legal to back up your own legally owned DVD movies, then there should be nothing illegal about doing the same thing for a friend and his legally owned movies as long as no money changes hands and the friend retains both the original and backup copies.

So ojtwelve don't worry about housepig, come and ask your question again

[tweedledee]

I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE CAUSED WITH MY QUESTION.

I think that OJTWELVE should be forced to copy 20 copies of the "sound of music" and donate them to the little sisters of the poor. That's legal surely?

[tompika]

I think that OJTWELVE should be forced to copy 20 copies of the "sound of music" and donate them to the little sisters of the poor. That's legal surely?

Yep as long as the sisters have 20 pieces of the original "The Sound of Music" and he's doing it for free then it sounds fair...