Nero 6 WARNING your hard drive may be wiped.

[DVDPriceGuideUK]

A German online magazine PCwelt.de reports that Nero 6 contains a 'bug' that could delete your entire harddrive. The bug is introduced with the Nero 6 Recode project. Bug might even not be the correct word for it, it seems more that Ahead forgot to limit the feature to empty the destination folder for temporarily files.

If this destination directory is set to the root of a disc (e.g C : ) and if the question: "Destination folder is not empty, do you wish to clear it" is answered with yes, all files will be deleted.

Here is the description (badly)translated from the german site using babelfish:
Who clicks now over-hurried on "Yes" and had selected as goal file a root listing, short time experiences later its blue miracle: not only a "Video_ts" file put on in the goal file in former times is deleted, but also all other files and file on the partition concerned are deseamed within seconds by the plate. The user is nevertheless asked still whether he wants to delete the files.

A "Design error" is not however nevertheless. Because actually the user should assume "Nero Recode" means the existing "Video_ts" file in under "the target folder" indicated drive assembly and/or listing.

For now we would advise visitors to be carefull with this feature and to make sure to answer no on this question. There is no doubt Ahead will release a fix for this nasty feature soon.

[MJPollard]

If this destination directory is set to the root of a disc (e.g C : ) and if the question: "Destination folder is not empty, do you wish to clear it" is answered with yes, all files will be deleted.

Forgive me for saying this, but if someone is stupid enough to specify the root as the destination directory, he or she deserves whatever they get. (Especially if it's the root of drive C:.)

[Yirkin]

I've been waiting all week for them to patch Nero to fix some of the stuff that doesn't work at all (Nerovision Express 2). Maybe this bug will motivate them to get some patches out.

Howard

[RabidDog]

Too harsh MJpollard ... have you never made a mistake ?.. also it wouldnt delete everything on c: drive .. some stuff would be in use! swap file for instance!

[vance43211]

I've been waiting all week for them to patch Nero to fix some of the stuff that doesn't work at all (Nerovision Express 2). Maybe this bug will motivate them to get some patches out.

Howard

it seems like nero comes out with a patch every week

that's part of their problem

[MJPollard]

Too harsh MJpollard ... have you never made a mistake ?.. also it wouldnt delete everything on c: drive .. some stuff would be in use! swap file for instance!

Yep, it's harsh. And yeah, I've made more than my share of mistakes, and then some. Using the root of my C: drive as a temp directory, however, ain't one of 'em. If you're that much of a n00b that you make such a fundamental (not to mention boneheaded) mistake, you don't have any business messing around with advanced software. (And yes, Nero needs to address this situation in their software. I'm not disagreeing with that.)

You might've guessed that I'm not one to suffer fools gladly.

[energy80s]

I always use the root of a hard drive for temp files (and indeed project files) **** all wrong with that! However it is always the root of a different partition, not the C Drive. If Nero has this "wipe anything" bug then that is serious.

[Gazorgan]

How about me??? I use the root of my capture drive. This means I can lose all my ripped vobs, and anything waiting to be burned that's on there (currently 3 SVCD movies and 4 DVD5's). Of course I'm still using Nero 5.9.xx because 5.10 sucked soooooooo badly.

[defense]

What a funny thread and article. Some posters on this forum should know better then to even think about using INFERO. Hey, only $50 for another INFERO BUG-PLAGUED program...not too shabby folks. BWAHHHHH.....as i've always said.... "AHEAD" is ALWAYS "BEHIND" with Infero...and I don't see ANYTHING that indicates a change will be in affect.


In all seriousness...I hope noone on these boards lost everything on their hard drive or that destination folder due to this HUGE BUG....but dump that crap program once and for all and get some REAL BURNING SOFTWARE.

Prassi/RecordNow Max are the best of them all. And I can assure you, you won't have to upgrade or have bug fixes every week, every month..or even EVERY FEW MONTHS...you know why? Because it's damn near perfect as it is....that's why.

It never ends.....can't wait to see what Nero 6.1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19. 20. has to offer. I'm sure by the time that's released the Hard drive problem will be fixed, but after burning a disk your registry will be corrupt. Oh well....Nero's just AWESOME....LMAO

[poopyhead]

@defense,

don't assume that your personal experiences...and/or 1 version of nero applies to all versions on nero and other ahead software....

i've been using nero to author (S)VCDs for quite sometime, and it works VERY WELL.

now, i'm using nero express to burn DVDs, and it works quite well.

[MOVIEGEEK]

I have to agree with defense on this one,this is a MAJOR bug and it should have been caught before Nero 6 was released.
I'll never buy another Ahead product and if Nero is bundled with a drive I buy that disk is going in the trash.

[defense]

@poopyhead, with all due respect, Wake the F**K UP! If you think my response regarding INFERO was on solely MY experience, your on another planet...to say the least. Do some research about INFERO and see what the majority of people who have used REAL burning programs in addition to INFERO have said.

As MovieGeek mentioned...this isn't some SMALL BUG...MOST OF INFEROS BUGS AREN'T SMALL....wiping someones important files out are a pretty damn serious issue. Could you imagine someone in College writing a report that took MONTHS and having INFERO wipe it off their hard drive? LMAO...that's pretty damn messed up...and it ABSOLUTELY should of been caught. No...BEHIND was too quick to want to collect $50 from the poor shits who ride Nero like Debbie Does Dallas.


What's gonna happen next...wait...I feel it.....INFERO will release version 6.1.2.3.4.5.6.7 tomorrow, FIXING the CRUCIAL HARD DRIVE BUG...HOWEVER, this fix took time and money...so as a result...the update will cost an additional, $25 to patch.

Ain't Nero Great

[Bob W]

Lucky for me I could never get the version of Nero that came with a drive I bought to even install.

[dcsos]

I always use the ROOT directory
of a HARD DRIVE for the TEMP files

I think its a good thing to do, because If the program fails to wipe its own temporary files I see them plainly and can wipe them myself..
If they hide in some program directory that sucks

AND NOW THE BUG THAT WOULD'VE EXTERMINATED ME!
I'll be careful when I upgrade to 6 ..I promise!

[beefgravy]

the new 0.9.5.1 version now fixes this problem and creates a proper VIDEO_TS/AUDIO_TS folder.

[steptoe]

This 'bug' is also documented on the Nero website, and claerly states what the wipe procedure is, yes, I admit this is damn serious and should have been fixed/workaround by now, so I don't know what is taking so long

You could do what I do, and set up a partition that can be used as a temp area, then the problem is solved for now, but I like setting up partitions instead of directories, just my personal preference, and has been for years

Or, if you have a smallish hard drive laying around, add that to your system and solve it that way, still shouldn't have to do it though

I wonder if somebody could hold Ahead legally responsible for any files of value that get deleted by this bug.............. Loss of earnings/damage to a companies reputation, etc, etc

That would soon get a release that fixes it




Then again, unless you have access to a decent partition manager, you are stuffed, I don't want to get into a 'my software is better than yours argu,net' so I won't bother saying what I use

[poopyhead]

@defense,

it seems u didn't read my post completely...

i also mentioned you can't apply 1 version of nero or any other of ahead's software to every other version..or generalizing..

i've used other, previous versions of nero....5.5.something to author (S)VCDs and nero express 5.5.something works well to burn DVDs

nero 6 may have a major bug, but it doesn't negate the fact earlier versions still work fine.

[defense]

@poopyhead....I did read your post...but your response telling "ME" that I'm "assuming" Nero will work bad for others makes me wonder if you read my post. One thing about me is that I don't post crap about a product and say it's the "worst" just because something happened to "me."

Many other people do, however, post on their bad OR GOOD experiences and say things as though it will work the same for everyone else. Let's take media for example. When someone writes a post saying a particular type of media is crap and the worst out there...almost always somebody else responds by saying...NO WAY..I'VE MADE TEN MILLION BLAH BLAH BLAH WITH NO COASTERS...BLAH BLAH BLAH....so it isn't the MEDIA...BLAH BLAH BLAH. So what is happening is that people are using their OWN personal experiences to make assumptions about everybody else.

My point is that of course that won't be accurate...because different burners, different operating systems, different manufacturing plants of the same disks make a substantial difference in many cases.

If you read my posts you'll know that one reason I love this site is because of the various input which I research...so I don't comment SOLELY on MY personal experiences. I read, and read and read more until I see what the general consensus is. Then I make my decision on a product. For example...I had some serious issues with Verbatim media. I could of started a post saying VERBATIM IS THE CRAPPIEST MEDIA IN THE WORLD...instead...I knew it MAY not only of been me with the issues...but I wasn't going to speculate...so I just wrote something like Verbatim makes "ME" sick.

Then others came forward and basically said they had the same issues with Verbatim media. Which also backs up another point i've always made and that is YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR when it comes to media. Anyone that thinks you do is simply Naive to say the least.

My point to all this is that I don't just ASSUME things based on MY experiences alone. Nero cost me a lot of time and MANY COASTERS early on and after I started researching...I started realizing that damn near every version of Nero had some issue or another. Some were a bigger problem then others...some were smaller issues...but there were issues apparent in damn near every version. People had to CONTINUOUSLY downgrade themselves because of issues...or people refused to upgrade because of their worries with Nero. People were afraid to trust Nero!

I"m sorry....but why the hell were those people still using Nero to begin with? I made the decision right then and there after reading all those posts I researched that I wasn't going to use Nero again...and since that time I haven't. I have used RecordNow Max with ZERO ISSUES....and I guess it's about 10 versions of Nero later and 20 more bugs which i've avoided because of my decison to dump Nero long ago.

Now Nero comes out with a version 6 and there is this serious potential for files to be permanently deleted because of some DAMN BURNING SOFTWARE? That's absolutely unacceptible.....and to even think about GIVING THIS TYPE OF BUG PLAGUED software to someone is wrong...but to CHARGE $50 FOR IT? LMAO....I'm anxious to see how this NERO REENCODE pans out....they can't even get their burning program operable for "MANY" and now they are trying to offer a reencoding program as well. Isn't that so kind of Ahead. It will be interesting....

I've stayed away from the Nero posts for the most part because people get pissed when they hear the FACTS...so I"ll just stick to reading them for the time being...getting a good laugh outta the NEXT BIG BUG found in the NEW NERO 6.......

[vance43211]

a lot of people have bad experience with nero

a lot of people don't

me, from reading this site i won't upgrade my version of nero (5.5.9.14)

that being said

i never had a problem with my nero

it does whatever i want it to do

[dcsos]

Calm yourelves..
All this said is true...
But lets take the good with the bad!

remember NERO were the folks that took us out of the DARK AGES of burning where EZ CD Creator Ruled.
Then they became ROXIO and their product failed to give options to the myiad of burning chores that faced late 90's user's
Then, alter several buggy coded versions(DirectCD & Take Two fiascos) later..NERO became preferred

Now NERO is falling prey to its predecesors faults!
Too many revisions etc.....
I still think those of us who can get results repeatedly from the product should continue to use it

BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD RE_EVAUATE HOW OFTEN WE RECCOMEND it to NEWBIES....

[Doggiedaddy]

I have to agree with defense on this one,this is a MAJOR bug and it should have been caught before Nero 6 was released.
I'll never buy another Ahead product and if Nero is bundled with a drive I buy that disk is going in the trash.

DITTO :P
NERO is so crappy they should give it away with toasters at Wallmart. Bread may be the only thing it could burn correctly!!!

[TBoneit]

Defense: the Easy CD software was so good? as I recall it many people had their Win XP (or may it was win2000) toasted because they installed Easy CD.

That was a loser....

I've been using Nero for years and never had any of the problems you attribute to it. I haven' t coastered more than 2 DVDs that I recall with nero, and at least one of those was my fault for sure. When WinXp came out Nero was ready way ahead of Roxio.

Sorry but I find Nero much easier (nero not Nero Express) to use than RecordNow (DX). Just for data files recordnow Dx is much more of a pain to use for me. Slower and clunkier.

And for the record I find Nero Express to be just as clunky to use as RecordNow Dx


However YMMV and you should use what works for you.

TTFN

[Doggiedaddy]

Well one thing about NERO they have more patches than a old intertube, for all you NERO lovers here is another shot of S**t. I would have posted this in latest news but a NERO patch is not news!!

Patch # 6.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.11
http://www.nero.com/us/nero-up.php#

Read here:
http://www.doom9.org/

[defense]

@doggiedaddy, thanks for that link to doom9 and the NEW PATCH for the NEW..LY released version of NeroReencode. Oh...what was that I read...that the NEW PATCH makes the video_ts and audio_ts folders NOW UPPERCASE? Wow...that's strange...why would their patch change that...just because Uppercase is the standard in every standalone dvd player on the planet? nah...that's not a good enough reason...they should just leave it lower case..i'm sure they knew what they were doing when they initially released the program.

Too much....too much to say the least....oh...but the HARD DRIVE DELETION BUG seems to be rectified with this NEW PATCH.....so now the question is...WHAT NEW BUGS BECOME PRESENT WITH THE "NEW" PATCH....we shall see soon.

[vance43211]

Defense: the Easy CD software was so good? as I recall it many people had their Win XP (or may it was win2000) toasted because they installed Easy CD.

TTFN

easy cd creator were actually the no.1 selling cd burning software. before XP come out and dvd burners became affordable

their refusal to address either problem (they didn't burn dvd video and their platium version would lock up XP ) is the main reason of their demise

[dcsos]

Its possible that users of the NIGHTMARE
Take Two part of EZCD Creator 5
won a clsss action suit against ROXIO for burning the OSes
(2000 or XP would choke on TAKE TWO)

Now NERO 6 offer the user a backup utility that will span more than one DVD volume..
WHO ELSE offers this kind of backup solution?

I for one will try the BUGGY NERO VERSION cause I need a spannable backup program

[racer-x]

Well I guess I'm sitting on the fence with this one. I use both Nero and RecordNow Max, and have yet to make a coaster with either one. I haven't tried Nero 6 yet, but plan on it............maybe after a few updates to work out the new bugs.

I allways use
d:\temp\
e:\temp\
.
.
.
That's the safest and you allways know where your temp files are...

[tompika]

Now NERO 6 offer the user a backup utility that will span more than one DVD volume..
WHO ELSE offers this kind of backup solution?

How about Stomp Backup MyPC ?

[nicw]

Bugs I have found with Nero6 so far and have reported.

1. Found UDF structs were wrong. Reported and fixed prior to 6009.
2. Found that BACKUP to DVD does not work at all, tries to write 4.53GB
to a 4.38GB DVD and of course it fails. Reported still not fixed.
3. Found that format/erase of DVD+RW leaves a lot to be desired and is
just plain wrong. The wrong commands are used and does not follow
the MMC spec to format/erase properly. with some sectors being
written numerous in the same pass, big problem for a disc with limited
number of re-writes. Reported still not fixed.
4. Found that similar to point 3 above, as format/erase is wrong, some
structs like UDF can get left behind and so some apps could see disc as
not blank after erase. Reported still not fixed.
5. Found that Nero 6 stomps on the default booktype modes for Ricoh
dvd burner drives even if this is disabled, Nero6 changes the values.
This was reported back in 5.5 and bug still exists in Nero6. Burner apps
such as Record Now Max does not do this so for Ricoh owners would be
recommended. I have still to test other apps in this regard.
6. Proved on more than one system Nero6 will intemittently not release a
drive after its been used, so subsequent opens will fail and can
sometimes disappear completely until a reboot. Reported still unfixed.
(very intermittent though)
7. SmartStart invariably loses some of its options and a re-install is
required to correct them. Once again intermittent and no pattern found.
reported still unfixed.

If anyone else finds anything let me know and I will add it to my list I send them regularly.

cheers
nicw
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