playing problem ?

[Mo-ok]

Hi
I just burned a video dvd-r of 1:20 min and it plays on all regular machines BUT
it wont play on 3 macs that i have
those are portable titanum ,imac ,regular 733mhz G4 .
in the imac and the titanum the movie is playing but like jitter timewise ...
and the regular g4 spit it out and wont accept it at all ...
the dual g4 that burned it plays it cool ... and all other dvd players too
plz ... if there is something i can do , let me know

10x
Mook

[galactica]

How did you burn this disk?
Which app did you use?
Did you include an AUDIO_TS folder?

often times burning method will affect playback, but i cant believe that other macs cant play the disk!

give me more info please

[Mo-ok]

I encoeded it to mpeg2 ntsc using quicktime pro export
then I was using dvd studio pro for authoring 1 time as a disc image ... and 1 time as a regular build .
both times i burned the dvd using toast on an osx 10.2.3
1 time as a mount image in toast burning and 1 time as in the "dvd how to" in your site ...
10x again
mo-ok

[Baldrick]

One topic is ENOUGH. If nonone answer just bump this one(reply to it again).

[Mo-ok]

Ok thanks
Just wanted to add that i just tried 1 at 4Mbps of video and an audio compression too ... didnt go .
btw I am using DVR105 superdrive at 1x
so it is not the data rate what can it be ?
this kinda urgent so plz help
thanks
Mo-ok

[galactica]

Ok thanks
Just wanted to add that i just tried 1 at 4Mbps of video and an audio compression too ... didnt go .
btw I am using DVR105 superdrive at 1x
so it is not the data rate what can it be ?
this kinda urgent so plz help
thanks
Mo-ok

To be honest, you have stumped me. I have no clue. The fact that it plays on standalone dvd player implies you burned it properly.


Why it wont play on the other mac's, I have no idea.

I would also suggest downloading Video lan Client (www.videolan.org)
and opening the dvd disk directly with that program. [try it on all your macs] if that program plays them back fine, there is nothing wrong with the disk or the burn.

Open the program, go to OPEN DISK from FILE menu, and choose DVD (assuming you have the dvd in yoru mac) then push ok or accept or whatever it is that accepts the choice. If it doesnt start playing automatically, push PLAY and see how the playback is with this program.

keep me posted.

/galactica

[tgpo]

Perhaps it's a problem with the other Mac's DVD Players.

Have you tested the other Macs with DVDs that you know will play, such as Commercial DVDs??

Have you popped in the DVD and used the Open VIDEO_TS option in DVD Player to open the folder on the DVD??

[galactica]

That would be my next assumption.
Strange though that three mac's wont play them, but the New G4 MDD will! and also standalone dvd players

STRANGE!
Try TGPO's suggestion also!

[Mo-ok]

Yes .. I tried before Commercials dvd and it was playing fine .
I will check this app that Galactica was offering and c if it helps
1 other thing ... my will is to duplicate this dvd like in 200-300 copies
and this will make them Regular Commercial DVD right ?
but I still dont know where is the problem ... so i cant really be sure if i should send it like this ...
thanks again
Mo-Ok

[tgpo]

and this will make them Regular Commercial DVD right ?

Your DVD will have to be pressed and not burned to be a true "Commercial" DVD. As long as you own the rights to everything on your video, then you can sell your burned DVD. But you'll run into probelms with people who can't handle DVD-R disks.

[galactica]

Yes .. I tried before Commercials dvd and it was playing fine .
I will check this app that Galactica was offering and c if it helps
1 other thing ... my will is to duplicate this dvd like in 200-300 copies
and this will make them Regular Commercial DVD right ?
but I still dont know where is the problem ... so i cant really be sure if i should send it like this ...
thanks again
Mo-Ok

If you want, you can send one to me, and ill test it out on my machine, and let you know if it works.

If your selling commercial dvd's, chances are the majority of the population is going to use standalone dvd players to watch the movie, not thier comptuer. Though some do. You will also want to test these on PC's also.

I also suggest ensuing you are burning these dvd's using this method:

BURNING WITH TOAST
1. The Easiest way to do this is to create a folder with the name of the dvd, make sure that it is in all capitol letters and _ for spaces. Example TWO_WEEKS_NOTICE
2. Next move your DVD2One created VIDEO_TS folder into this folder
3. Now create a new folder and rename it AUDIO_TS, and also place it into the folder which has the DVD name. (such that your DVD named folder has two folder in it, 1 = AUDIO_TS, 2 = VIDEO_TS
4. Next Launch the Toast Titanium Program and select the DVD option under the other tab
5. Now drag your DVD named folder containing the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders into the Toast window. Check the folder contents in toast using the arrows to open each folder. Look particularly for files such as .DS_STORE which is a OSX invisible file. If present, use TOAST’S clear function to remove that file.
6. If done properly Toast should have created a new DVD bearing the name of the main folder you had and containing the video and audio folders.

Which will appear like this

DVD_NAME (Example TWO_WEEKS_NOTICE)
-------------AUDIO_TS (Empty Folder)
-------------VIDEO_TS (Folder full of video files)
---------------------VIDEO_TS.IFO….(and all the others, .BUP, .VOB….).

[galactica]

Yes .. I tried before Commercials dvd and it was playing fine .
I will check this app that Galactica was offering and c if it helps
1 other thing ... my will is to duplicate this dvd like in 200-300 copies
and this will make them Regular Commercial DVD right ?
but I still dont know where is the problem ... so i cant really be sure if i should send it like this ...
thanks again
Mo-Ok

If you want, you can send one to me, and ill test it out on my machine, and let you know if it works.

If your selling commercial dvd's, chances are the majority of the population is going to use standalone dvd players to watch the movie, not thier comptuer. Though some do. You will also want to test these on PC's also.

I also suggest that you burn these dvd's using this method:

BURNING WITH TOAST
1. The Easiest way to do this is to create a folder with the name of the dvd, make sure that it is in all capitol letters and _ for spaces. Example TWO_WEEKS_NOTICE
2. Next move your DVD2One created VIDEO_TS folder into this folder
3. Now create a new folder and rename it AUDIO_TS, and also place it into the folder which has the DVD name. (such that your DVD named folder has two folder in it, 1 = AUDIO_TS, 2 = VIDEO_TS
4. Next Launch the Toast Titanium Program and select the DVD option under the other tab
5. Now drag your DVD named folder containing the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders into the Toast window. Check the folder contents in toast using the arrows to open each folder. Look particularly for files such as .DS_STORE which is a OSX invisible file. If present, use TOAST’S clear function to remove that file.
6. If done properly Toast should have created a new DVD bearing the name of the main folder you had and containing the video and audio folders.

Which will appear like this

DVD_NAME (Example TWO_WEEKS_NOTICE)
-------------AUDIO_TS (Empty Folder)
-------------VIDEO_TS (Folder full of video files)
---------------------VIDEO_TS.IFO….(and all the others, .BUP, .VOB….)

[Mo-ok]

10x Galactica
But I need this duplicating by the end of the week ... so i dont have time to send it over to u , unless u r in NY state .
anyway ... i will try this app that u offer and send this dvd-r to duplicate and hope for the best cuz most of my clients r on computers ...
I will post if i'll have news
10x again
Mo-Ok

[galactica]

10x Galactica.............10x again

ummm your welcome?

10x = thanks?

[tgpo]

10x = thanks?

It's a code.

1x 51x 64x 93x 69x.....lol 69

[Mo-ok]

10x = thanks - yep
ok ... just tried this video lan and umm
it is playing but with stops like every 2 sec it stops for 1 ...
very strange ...
any ideas?

[tgpo]

And this is from your mpeg???

It's really starting to sound like an encoding problem. But that would make no since if your other computer and Standalone would play it.

And you're sure that you're not overdoing it with the bandwith??

[Mo-ok]

i checked it like this :
my i mac has an os9 so this so i cant test it on that video lan app
But
the computer that made this DVD-R which is a dual 1.4mhz
play it fine with it's apple dvd player but when it comes to this videolan
it does those stops that I was mention above.
all testing done with the burned DVD-R itself.
all the testing that i did with the m2v were ok ...

10x
Mo-ok

[galactica]

i checked it like this :
my i mac has an os9 so this so i cant test it on that video lan app

Ive heard of this "jittery" when playing back with apple dvd player in os9, so that doesnt so much scare me.

Whats interesting is that in the G4 MDD apple dvd player plays it fine, but your saying videolan has the "jittery" playback?!?!?!

Yet it plays fine on standalone dvd players?

CRAZY!

1. What are the models of standalone players you tested this dvd-r on?
2. When you tested with VLC did you have it read off the disk using OPEN DISC? and then choose DVD?
-------- perhaps you can just mount the dvd, open the mounted dvd, find of the the 1gig or the largest .vob files and drag it to the orange construction cone (VLC) in the dock. That will make it play the .vob and you can see if its jittery or not.

to be honest, this is a mystery!
Aside from me somehow gettingmy hands on it to test myself, i cant think of anything else to say.


TGPO: can you?

[Mo-ok]

well the regular dvd player is PS2 just the regular 1

[galactica]

well the regular dvd player is PS2 just the regular 1

I would seriously reconsider your production date then.

Yes the PS2 is a dvd player, but its not something I would use to test a dvd-r playback on a standalone dvd player.

Surely you have a friend or someone you can ask to play the dvd in thier dvd player!

Another issue is this jerky playback on the comptuers. What about the titanium powerbook, or the other comptuer you mentioned.

Are they running OSX? Results from those computers with VLC and apple dvd player?!?!?

[tgpo]

TGPO: can you?

Good Luck

[AntnyMD]

This to me sounds like a media issue. Plus, since he's planning to duplicate this disc up to 300 times, my guess is he didn't splurge on top market blank media. Last year I bought some crap discs off Meritline and was happy to find they burned fine, and played back on my iMac. However, they wouldnt play in my settop DVD player. A year later I popped one of those discs into a new settop player and it played brilliantly. An hour or so later, I put it into my laptop to bring to work, and the damn disc wouldn't play. Same disc, burned fine, played on one Mac, refused to play on another.

[galactica]

Im guessing the same thing (especially since he's burning them at 1x with a dvd burner that has the ability to burn 4x DVR-105!).

Mo-ok: What brand of dvd-r are you using? Where did you get them?

[Mo-ok]

ok
I tested it also on a RCA PORTABLE DVD player at datavision store ... it went just fine ...
now ... all the computers that i mentioned not playing it r os9
the only one that is osx is the 1 that i used for burning
The media i was using is
FUJIFILM dvd-r that i bought at catsco or what it's face
neway i also tried it on a silverline dvd-r ... not that this is better but just for knoledge
BTW; i am going to replacte these disc at discmakers.com
wouldnt it be a pressed discs ? like commercial ones ?

[galactica]

ok
I tested it also on a RCA PORTABLE DVD player at datavision store ... it went just fine ...
now ... all the computers that i mentioned not playing it r os9
the only one that is osx is the 1 that i used for burning
The media i was using is
FUJIFILM dvd-r that i bought at catsco or what it's face
neway i also tried it on a silverline dvd-r ... not that this is better but just for knoledge
BTW; i am going to replacte these disc at discmakers.com
wouldnt it be a pressed discs ? like commercial ones ?

I bet the problem is OS9 related. Ensure you have the most up to date OS9 system and apple dvd player application.
you can get the update here: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/7801

Oh and as for your diskmakers.com, you'd have to ask them.

On another note, wouldn't it be sweet to get one of these!!!!!!!!!!
http://discmakers.com/rom/duplication/

but it does look like its just a robotic arm to remove the disk and put another one in, i doubt it "pressing" them. Most likely its just a fancy dancy duplicator with a robotic arm. Althought, it would look nice on my desk

Try updating the apple dvd player app for the OS9 comptuers, and see if that doesnt work.

Also, you SHOULD get OSx on those machines. you can get 10.1 for really cheap off ebay.com. Heck, even Jaguar.N

[Mo-ok]

DEFENETLY LOOKS LIKE A COOL MACHINE !

NEway:
I really doubt if this iMac 128MB 400mhz can carry an OSX and work better than os9 or i am tottaly wrong here ?
most of my clients have very old computers so os9 is a pssibilty but it seems like i gonna take the chance and press this dvd.
10x again for all the help
at least now i am sure by taking this chance
Mo-ok

[tgpo]

I only have a 450mhz and I run OS X.2 just fine.

[galactica]

I really doubt if this iMac 128MB 400mhz can carry an OSX and work better than os9 or i am tottaly wrong here ?

That machine will definately take 10.1 easily.

10.2 will also work, but it will require a firmware update (
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117 ) and you will need to put some more memory in that baby. I believe 256 is recommended minimum (i could be wrong)

I have a feeling its the old OS and perhaps an out of date apple dvd player software on OS9 thats causing the problems.