PS2 emulation?

[moneyman13]

Protection Emulators
These tools run in the background and intercept calls from the CD Protection to the CD-Reader, to check if the original CD is in the reader, and always tell that everything is ok. also
Executable Unwrappers
These tools are able to remove the CD Protection from the main executable which starts the game.
would this mean i can copy PS2 games without gettin a mod-chip to play them

[nfl2k2]

from a topic I made earlier, I know that you can copy regular ps games, but not ps2. http://store.unet.net/shop/showdetl.cfm?&DID=12&Product_ID=27&CATID=2 has some ps2 mod chips

[adam]

The protection used on the original playstation games and the ps2 games is nothing like the protection used on pc games and applications, which is what those tools would be used for. The psx and ps2 consoles check for bad sectors on the disk which are impossible to burn on cdr media using any commercial burner in existence. It is not a software protection it is a hardware protection, so there is no way around it except to hack the console itself. If you want to play ps2 games you will have to either get a mod chip or use another kind of physical hack to the console, this is the ONLY way.

Playstation and ps2 games are really no different. You can make backups of them using any burning software you want. But it is impossible to make an exact copy because of the uncopyable bad sectors.

[moneyman13]

you guys heard of the NEO4KEY yet? no swapping deal, how hard would it be to solder that into the PS2 without having done anything like this before??
also $80 is up there, how long before that goes down? any estimate, but i do understand that its a great deal in the long run

[TIbrO]

You should just wait for a PS2 boot CD to come out like the one out for Playstation and Dreamcast right now.

adam, how come CDRs and CDRWs work in Dreamcasts right off the bat? Is it because SEGA put absolutely no protection other than using different media for the games?

[adam]

Well I wouldnt exactly say that cdrs work off the bat in a dreamcast, it still requires some degree of modification but it is MUCH less invasive than with the sony consoles since you can modify the game itself rather than the console.

Yes your right the reason dreamcast games dont have any real protection is because sega never thought anyone would figure out how to rip the games. Also sega made it pretty easy for piraters to boot cdrs. Developers dont send off their untested games to be put onto a rom to play test them, that would be expensive and waste time. Instead they were given a boot disk which allowed them to burn it on cdr media and boot it on the dreamcast. Needless to say someone somewhere got a hold of one of these boot disks and thats where the original UTOPIA disk came from. From there that evolved into self booting games.

I'm not sure if I would recommend waiting for the PS2 boot disk. It very well might not be out for a very long time. moneyman13 any mod chip you can buy for the ps2 right now is going to involve some pretty tricky soldering. If you've never soldered anything before I probably wouldnt recommend starting with this chip, of course that is coming from someone who fried two ps2's. You might be able to find someone in your area who installs chips, look in the ps2 forum at http://www.isonews.com and see. Also if you purchase the neo 4 chip through isonews you get a $20 discount, making the cost on $60. Look in their news archives for sept 10th.

[TIbrO]

Oh wow, that's horrible! So the reason the boot disk was possible and actually even happened was because it was official and really existed before UTOPiA even released it! So SEGA screwed themselves over by making the GDROM drive be able to boot CDs cause they were cheap and didn't wanna waste their time! Look how it turned out... CDRs all over my living roo... I mean, piracy everywhere.

[The_Flash]

CDRW's don't work in a DC "right off the bat." You can manipulate the laser so that it will read them but I certainly wouldn't recommend that.

Too be honest, I never understood why consoles used CD's with round holes in the center. They should make it a triangle or octagon or something. Where would you buy CD-R's with those shapes. Then again, I'm sure it wouldn't take long.

[DOGLOOP]

Have any of you all tried psx one swap disc (psxchange v. 2) in your psx2? If so, with what degree of success?
Thanks.

Only want to boot psx 1 copies.

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[Operationz]

swap disc does work but you gotta get good at it, as it's rather tricky because you only have about 2-3 second window to do it. I reccommend the neo2 modchip, as alot of gamez released are already patched for it

[DOGLOOP]

Op-z, 2-3 seconds is a long time. That sounds more than acceptable .... unless I'm missing something quite obvious.

[adam]

Operationz he is referring to the actual boot disk for the ps1, wondering if it works on the ps2...basically without a mod chip. At least thats how I took it. The answer is no, the boot disk doesnt do what its supposed to do on the ps2, but just like any other game it can be used as a regular swap disk if you have a mod chip.

[TIbrO]

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Doesn't it have something to do with geometry and the spinning around? Like, a circle kicks ass cause of the shape it has... and a square or triangle spinner thing in the middle would wear off at the edges and corners from all that inertia and centrifugal force or something? So would the disc's hole, probably. You'd end up with a loose-fitting CD eventually... after many inserts and super highspeed, warm spinning. Just my guess, though.

[The_Flash]

Hah, perhaps.

[moneyman13]

ok, i've gotten some info, but if soldering the NEO4KEY is somewhat hard coming from an expierenced "solder" what should i do? if you dont think the boot disc is gonna come out anytime soon?

[clubizarre]

Hi, I'm kinda new here, and a friend sent me a link to here. This is a bit long, so skip it if you want, but this is some info on the developer side:

adam wrote:-----------------------------
Developers dont send off their untested games to be put onto a rom to play test them, that would be expensive and waste time. Instead they were given a boot disk which allowed them to burn it on cdr media and boot it on the dreamcast.
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Ok, this is actually half right. I work for a major multi-system gaming company, and have worked on a few Dreamcast games. When testing on the DC system, testers are given a boot-disc from Sega and the games are actually burned on GD-ROMS supplied by Sega. They also sell burners to a compnany who usually need multiple burners since it takes and hour to burn one disc. Anyway, the funny thing is, the real Sega Boot disc will only boot these special for-tester burned games. I tried some of the CD-R copied and import games and the official boot-disc will boot neither. The Utopia dics will NOT boot the tester versions of the games. I don't know what the Utopia people did to make their boot-disc, but in many ways, it's way ahead of the Sega made one. It's funny, for a long time I wanted one of the Sega boot-discs, but then I discovered it's useless to consumers and people who download or import games. Anyway, that's my $.02 and thanks for reading ^_^

- Clubizarre

[adam]

Well I didn't mean to imply that the UTOPIA boot disk was just a leaked version of a sega bootdisk. I don't doubt that UTOPIA did have to modify it to get it to work but the source for their boot disk DID come from a leaked sega boot disk used for the playtesting of games.

[Operationz]

adam: yes I understand now, and yes you're absolutely right: the PSX boot disc is nothing more than a joke. it doesn't work, and anyone who says it does is a liar. a bold statement, yes but I first got my hands on it a long time ago and tried and tried to get it working, but no go

[DOGLOOP]

Thanks adam that was the ticket ..... leaves me looking for external (usb) mod as psx one on 270* turn from flat so thanks for an off subject answer.

[adam]

Operationz: The psx boot disk does work, I've tried it and so have numerous other people. Maybe you are thinking about the old fake boot disk that people kept falling for? If it really was a while ago when you tried it then that explains the confusion since the real psx boot disk is relatively new. The boot disk is called the ps-x-changer and it definitely does work because the manufacturers have either gotten a hold of a bus load of dev disks or they have found a way to burn the bad sectors onto blank media just as original psx games contain.

If you downloaded your boot disk then it is an obvious fake, even if the image was in fact made from the real ps-x-changer boot disk. Its impossible to burn a copy of a boot disk yourself. If you could do that then you could just burn an original psx game in the first place. But if you buy the boot disk then I guarantee that it will work but ONLY in the psx, not the ps2.