Newbie question????

[spmiz12]

I just don't get it..... I have been noticing that the response's to some post have been negative response's against the poster for asking questions that some seem trivial and other post not directing poster's where they can get the information they need to help them. Instead alot of response's have been:

Hey... Check the tool or guides to the left......

I thought with the newbie forum, responder's would be alittle more informative. I guess I just don't get that the PRO'S are to good to direct us to our valuable answer's. This is such a well layed out site.... I would respond myself to some more posts trying to help, but you know I am just like so many looking for the answer's myself....... For those that do truly help all of us, "THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!"

[ima2hd]

Well alot of good info is already on this board w/o re-typing a guide again and again. A newbie should spend days reading the postings and guides on this site b4 posting a question in my opinion.

[spmiz12]

I do agree with you in part.... I don't think we are asking for ever questioned ask that someone will re-type the guide that applies to that topic, however I don't think it would hurt to point them to a specific post.. If you take a look to the left, there is a wealth of information but yet some may have a harder time realizing which specific guide or tool applies to their topic. Hence, that is why they are asking the question.... If the guides were the true solution to all the issuse's posted then why would anyone bother on responding......

That is just my two cents, and with 8 more you'd have a dime...........

[DKruskie]

I think what alot of the problem with newbies is they dont take the time read or look for the answers themselves, they want an instant fix and solution. So the Pros are sick of answering the same questions over and over..if people would take the time to look around here in the forums and the stuff to the left 90% of their questions would be answered. Albeit there are questions that do need the Pros expierence to answer. Take a look at the off topic and you find a post called newbies. But hey technically I'm still a newbie here and I find almost all of my answers by reading posts and stuff..sometimes it takes a few minutes and sometimes it takes hours..it depends on how much effort one person is willing to commit..



David

[spmiz12]

I agree somewhat with you.... If time allows the guides or lefthand info is tremendous, however when a individual has spent hours/days on a project and is looking for an answer and the respond he gets from some poster's is read the guides; that may discourage that person from continuing with their project.

But the part I really don't agree with your response was when you said "So the Pros are sick of answering the same questions over and over.." then why do they bother even visiting the newbie forum. Because isn't that what the forum name implies "NEWBIE". I don't think a Authoring expert would pick that forum to post his question. However, it is good to have the expert who do take the time to truthfully answer our questions. And for those, I think we are all GREATFUL!!!!!!!!!

[Hardcoreruss]

I see where you are coming from partly however the majority of questions that are asked are ones that can be resolved by spending about five minutes looking at the guides.

The amount of times I have typed out what to do in case your file has ac3 or how to extract wav's is incredible.

I always try to help when I can buy all of these problems can be resolved with a simple bit of research.

[spmiz12]

hardcoreruss I do fully agree about your point and appreciate you for all the help you do give,

[Karate Media]

I posted a rather lengthy rebuttal over at:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=517583#517583

It's certainly not definitive, and there are obviously those on the forum older and wiser than me, but it makes a point...


Also, keep in mind the "visiting a foreign land" analogy. You may be a "newbie," but you didn't wake up in a tub full of ice in a strange land, did you? No, you chose to make this journey -- the newbie section is here to help you just like an information kiosk in another country. If you simply ran up asking questions in English and expecting polite and immediate help, you would be considered rude. Hopefully, you would have taken the time to learn the basics of that country, its culture, and its language before making your journey.

Many of the people here expect that same sort of effort. If you are serious about learning how to make DVDs/VCDs/etc, and want to add to this community and help it grow, then you will already have taken the effort to learn the basics, even if you are just a "newb." If you just want easy answers at your fingertips, there are any number of books out ther about DVDs that you can buy.

[Conquest10]

spmiz12, why don't you provide us with an example of a real post whose answer cannot be found very, very easily in one of the guides?

[vitualis]

Hey... Check the tool or guides to the left......

I thought with the newbie forum, responder's would be alittle more informative. I guess I just don't get that the PRO'S are to good to direct us to our valuable answer's.

Have a good look at the list to the left. There are less than 25 links that are likely to contain information you need and all of them have a short informative description on what that page contains.

If you have a problem with converting then surely a "pro" doesn't need to be so condescending as to say "click on the Convert link"? For goodness sakes, take a little initiative in your OWN learning. Don't expect to be spoon fed. You are going to learn much more from this site and this forum if you try to find your own answers first.

This may be the newbies forum but it still shows up in "latest posts". You should be happy that some of the more experienced members bother to read and respond to posts in the "newbies forum". The newbies forum would be much less if if they didn't.

Regards.

[spmiz12]

IN response to Conquest10:


I have NEVER meant to imply that the answers were not in the guides. I feel the guides and the wealth of information for myself has been tremendous. Also I totally applaud the folks who have taken the time to create them, And I am in NO way implying that there efforts aren't appreciated or valuable.

What I am trying to point out is that some responder's from post's through-out the forums have dismissed why a poster is asking their question and treating them harshly by sly comments. And when they do refer to the guides, they are not pointing them to any specific area....So in turn there is a tremendous amount of knowledge on this forum and my opinion is that some poster's may become overwhelmed and not know a specific area to find what they need or they might not be sure at what guide it pertains to.... I know it's simple after you have learned it but other's may be traveling a more difficult course, and I don't think we should discount them for that.......

[vitualis]

What I am trying to point out is that some responder's from post's through-out the forums have dismissed why a poster is asking their question and treating them harshly by sly comments. And when they do refer to the guides, they are not pointing them to any specific area....

There are losers in every aspect of life and this forum is no different. Your only recourse is to ignore them...

Regards.

[spmiz12]

In response to vitualis:

I feel the information I have looked for I have found. My post was in response to other's that I have seen....... Believe me I feel the guides should be fully investigated prior to asking however maybe sometimes individuals have a problem comprehending a specific item and for that should we be harsh to them. I have seen times where what might be obvious to me and you might not to the next person..... I am sorry that i offended anyone however I spend 12 hours a day dealing with customer support services and know that what might seems obvious to some doesn't to other's, so should they be treated rude for not fully understanding......

[Karate Media]

Yes, spmiz, but you get paid (hopefully) for dealing with those people. When you have a world-wide collective of people donating their time, you are bound to find people on either end of the spectrum -- either helpful or sarcastic...

I don't think many people here are rude just because you don't know something, it takes a certain type of stubborn ignorance to set people off -- from your post, I'm not sure if you deal with customers or customer service reps, but let's say you manage a team of CS reps. You hand them a script and say "follow this script when you answer the phone." Then they start asking you, "What do I say after they say hello?" You reply, "Follow the script." "What do i say when they have a problem?" "Follow the script." Pretty soon, you're aggravated and thinking of firing this person. You might even get rude with them: "DO I need to draw you a friggin' map?! IT'S ALL IN YOUR SCRIPT!!"

And, god, imagine if they said, "Uh, can you teach me how to read, too?"

I'm not trying to justify anybody's rudeness, but you can see how some people may react in these sorts of situations... From what I've seen, this is one of the most helpful/least newbie-flaming forums I've run into on the web.

But, you say, "Why don't they just ignore that particular newbie post and move on? Why do they have to waste their time replying with something rude?"

Well, if any of us were socially well-adjusted, do you really think we'd be spending all our time in front of a computer making VCDs and DVDs and posting on internet forums?

[Renegade6]

Spmiz12, I am a newbie. Not every member will at least show you where you can obtain the info you need. The pros seem that they are to big to at least point you in a direction that you need to go. They only say "Look in the left hand column". I think thats a bunch of bull.

[Conquest10]

Karate Media, where do you come up with all these great metaphors?

[vitualis]

@ Renegade6, please read: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=517630#517630

We are not a charity. We are not paid for by your government to hold your hand and spoon feed you. The fact this this forum exists and the left hand menu exists means that you are getting something for nothing.

If you can't grasp this free opportunity to better yourself please don't use the forum to whinge how people aren't giving you enough attention.

Regards.

[Karate Media]

Spmiz12, I am a newbie. Not every member will at least show you where you can obtain the info you need. The pros seem that they are to big to at least point you in a direction that you need to go. They only say "Look in the left hand column". I think thats a bunch of bull.

Aren't you the same fellow who posted this query in "Latest News":
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156502

"Extra! Extra! Read all about it! I don't know how to burn a DVD!"

If you can't even follow the simplest of rules regarding how to post a question, then how do you expect anyone to treat you with respect?


Conquest10:

Usually my neighbor's dog tells them to me.

[Renegade6]

Karate Media, in fact I know how to burn dvds. Dvd9 to dvd5 without the menus. You did not read what I was asking? I was asking if anyone burned a 2sided dvd into a single dvd5. I looked in the left hand column. Do you know how to burn a dvd9 double sided dvd into a single dvd5 dvd?

[vitualis]

Karate Media, in fact I know how to burn dvds. Dvd9 to dvd5 without the menus. You did not read what I was asking? I was asking if anyone burned a 2sided dvd into a single dvd5. I looked in the left hand column. Do you know how to burn a dvd9 double sided dvd into a single dvd5 dvd?

And you did not read his post either. If you are so "on the ball" with this forum, why on earth did you post in the Latest News forum?

Regards.

[Karate Media]

Hey jack-o-nut (That's you, renegade)

You posted a question about burning a DVD in the Latest News forum. A moderator had to just go now and waste his time moving it to the proper forum. That was my point, boyo.

And you might want to look into the concept of a joke. They're noted by their use of generalizations to point out the folly of others: You improperly posted a question in Latest News = "Extra! Extra! Read all about it!" etc. Obviously, I wasn't really commenting on your ability to burn a DVD. Try thinking for a second before you respond, eh?

OK, I'm gonna go cool down before this turns into a flaming.



EDIT: Vitualis, now you've gone and mucked up the joke even further by moving the thread! Now no one will get it!

[Renegade6]

Vitualis. It seems like no one here has attempted to come up with a solution or no one wants to. In the "How To' There is no one who has written anything about what I am looking for.

[Conquest10]

why would you want to fit a double sided dvd9 onto a dvd5? you are not going to get any decent quality out of that. why not try a dvd5 for each side of the dvd9?

[Renegade6]

If you guys are all pissed off because I posted a "how To" in the wrong group, geez guys go have a beer.

[Renegade6]

I wanted to burn Michael Collins, Das Boot and Sleeper. THey all fall in dvd9. I am trying to combined both sides into a single dvd5. I am haven't seen any video quality lost

[Karate Media]

Back in the ring for a second...

Just did a VERY quick search and found this, renegade:

You can put 2 films on one DVD, BUT try to choose short films with lowish bitrates. I put 2 john carpenter films together and it looks good, however you are going to lose a bit of quality. Rip both films, to two folders, using DVD decrypter, compress both movies down using DVDshrink or DVD2one (set the size to about 2.1 GB). Get rid of everything in the folders apart from your VOBs. Next rename your second set of VOB files to follow your first set (if you have VTS_1_1 to VTS_1_5, rename your second set VTS_1_6 to whatever you need). Once you have all the VOBs named stick them all into one folder. Fire up IFOEDIT and write a new .IFO for your VOB set. Even if the films have different aspect ratios the picture will switch between them. If you really want something to do try to figure out how to put a menu structure on it.

from here:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156020


I was barely trying and I found that on my first search. I know for a fact that other threads have recently covered this topic as well. THIS is why people like you get no respect. You don't do your own work and you bitch about the fact that no one else will do it for you. I just did. You're welcome.

[Renegade6]

Karate Media that's not what I am trying to do. Do you own any of the dvd I wrote about?

[Karate Media]

If you guys are all pissed off because I posted a "how To" in the wrong group, geez guys go have a beer.

No...we're pissed because you complain that the "Pros" here give you "a bunch of bull" when you post redundant questions, but then don't even have the knowledge to post a question in the proper forum.

Have you ever thought that maybe you're the one to blame?

When you put forth the effort to care, then maybe we will.

[Conquest10]

what are you trying to then?

[vitualis]

No, I'm pissed because you are acting like a git and curiously enough you don't seem to realise it and keep digging yourself deeper.

The "How To" is not an exhaustive list of video editing solutions known to man. It is a list of donated guides some people have written. If you haven't gotten the gist yet, we are not a group of psychics who read your mind ahead of time just so that we can write a guide specific to your problem.

Similarly, no one here is obliged to offer you a solution either. If you get some help, it is because some one went out of their way to help you with a problem. If you are going to have an attitude about it, don't be surprised if people steer clear.

You have already made yourself relatively unpopular by (i) posting in the wrong forum, (ii) whinging about people not helping you, (iii) attempting to hijack this thread.

In terms of your problem, the obvious logical thing to do is to copy each side of the double-sided DVD to a separate disc. Not only will it fit, you would have had to flip the original anyway. Alternatively, you will have to manually reauthor your DVD and there are plenty of guides and previous posts on that.

I suggest that you think clearly before posting your next post.

This thread will be locked.

Regards.