dvd-r versus dvd+r

Funny when it was Philips and Sony that came up with DVD+R.

Yep, just think how much better and cheaper equipment would be if they didn't have to do 2 different formats. I will never use their inferior format myself.

ya know i Keep hearing that crap about -R being more compatible, I really think its BS that was spread by the DVD forum. I own 6 DVD players all different brands, my mother owns 3, and my brother owns 5, ei won't even go into what my friends and relatives own. Out of the 14 owned by me and my family there are 11 brand namse represented, and thier each of a different model. DVD +R plays on each and every1 of them and 2 of mine are first generation DVD players A JVC and a Sony neither will read -R, in fact -R will only play on 9 of the 14 players.
Generally I when I convert tape to DVD I try to match the media to whatever player that the client owns. But when i doubt I use +R as my first choice which as resulted in fewer returns, from my clients.

THE most compatible DVD/R media on the planet is +R media burned with DVD-ROM bitset..no exceptions.

The reason being is that -R media will always be recognised as -R where as a +R disc with a DVD-ROM bitset will always be recognised as a DVD-ROM, just like every dvd movie and game(aka pressed discs) at your local video store or wal-mart on the planet.

Reading this thread with all of the people answering -R is the shiznit cause thats what my dad has in his computer is really quite amusing. I'm sure you will all preach how Bill Gates is the devil and Windows is the biggest pile of dung out there, as well. Grow up.

If it's recognised you mean.

Originally Posted by FulciLives

This is your brain on drugs.

Hey FulciLives

You need to read this article:

http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113

and educate yourself.


And those (like you say) "greedy bastards that created that bastard step-child known as +R" already have burners that can write DVD+R DL at 4x.

And those morons on DVD Forum board still cannot finalize specs for DVD-R DL. Ha-ha.

maghera, you can read about the rough history of each format and see some of the practical and technical differences between the two formats here.

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3

Depending on what statistics you look at, the formats are pretty close in compatibility with -r possibly edging out +r by a small margin. I imagine that +r would have better compatiblity with older players though due to bit setting capabilities. As time progresses compatibility problems will become more of a non-issue for either format. If you use high quality media you really shouldn't be having compatibility problems with either format on the vast majority of players on the market.

Originally Posted by kabanero

Originally Posted by FulciLives

This is your brain on drugs.

Hey FulciLives

You need to read this article:

http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113

and educate yourself.


And those (like you say) "greedy bastards that created that bastard step-child known as +R" already have burners that can write DVD+R DL at 4x.

And those morons on DVD Forum board still cannot finalize specs for DVD-R DL. Ha-ha.

Maybe you need to read, someone's personal opinion, big deal.

This article is meant to be a list of technical arguments showing some of the advantages of the + format over the - format, and it reflects only my personal opinion, and not the one of CD Freaks. It is not a detailed comparison of the two formats, and it does not take into account specificities of drives, media or third party software : only the format differences are compared here, as described in the DVD-R 2.0, DVD-RW 1.1, DVD+R 1.1 and DVD+RW 1.1 standards. Corrections are welcome by email, but questions and contradictory opinions should be posted to our forum, so that everyone can benefit from an open discussion.

I love it when people say that their DVD Player doesn't even play DVD - R discs. That's just pure BS.

The DVD Forum, those responsible for the whole entire DVD Video, DVD Audio, and DVD Player thingy, came up with DVD - R. If it has the DVD Video logo on it, it has to play DVD - R. It is mandated. If your player was made in 2000 or after, it will, and does play DVD-R, if not, then you are either using discs that do not conform to standards (Princo), or have a cheap and shoddy made DVD Player.

On DVD-R vs DVD+R. If you know what bit setting is, and your burner supports it, than DVD+R and DVD-R will have the same compatibility. If not, DVD+R is a hit and miss. Even on same model players. 2 out of 3 of my PS2s will not play DVD+R, my Panasonic s35 rejects it, and my old ass Provideo (with Circuit City's DIVX) rejects it. Pop in a DVD-R or a DVD+R with the bit setting to DVD-R or DVD-ROM, and all is fine.

About the BS that cdfreaks taunts as +R format being better. Sure, on paper it does look better, but after 3 years, none of these features are said to be so good, have yet to surface on a reader, nor a writer. So it's useless propaganda.

For the uneducated, DVD+R could be better. There is little to no research on purchasing media. Since 80% of all DVD+R media is either RICOH or MCC, how can go wrong? But you have burners that do not, and will not support bit setting (Toshiba, Pioneer, NEC....) because they view this as a hack that should not be used.

With DVD-R, if only everyone would OEM Taiyo Yuden or Maxell, it would be the same. It's the shitty taiwan (CMC, TDK, Verbatim, Prodisc, Princo, Ritek, Gigastorage................) media makers whom believe quantity before quality that are at fault. Thank God Pioneer, Toshiba, and NEC know how to make a quality burner that can cope with the above low grade media.

Actually it was Pioneer that invented DVD-R, not the DVD forum.

Originally Posted by samijubal

Actually it was Pioneer that invented DVD-R, not the DVD forum.

Nope, it was the DVD Forum. Pioneer was/is a founding member of DVD, and the DVD Forum, along with Hitachi (Toshiba, Samsung), Panasonic, and few others, including Philips and Sony. Which still pay their yearly dues.

Pioneer was just the first to market DVD-R to the masses.

Take it back.

I have 2 APEX 1110Ws. Little silver guys I bought at Wal Mart for $39.97. My Sister has one also. They do play DVD-Rs just fine, and even cheap Prodisc BTW. Cheapest trays in the world, very flimsy.

PM me your mailing address, and I'd be glad to send you some discs that I have tested in my Apex 1110Ws (and 500a, 500ad, 660, 1100w, and 5103). This will see if your burner is to blame or not. The above also play Taiyo Yuden DVD-R burnt at 16x with my NEC 3500s

Some burners just do not write to DVD-R media correctly (NU Tech) or very poorly (BenQ, Lite On). Not sure if your Artic is a rebadged drive or not.

a bunch of BS

if it doesnt work, throw away your DVD player and get a new one.

its dvd player's fault for being too old, ha.
hence, owners need to upgrade!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop with my old sh*t dont work or
somebody else's old sh*t dont work.

try and argue this:
+ came out last (after - has already established, well established)
and now + is ahead of - in development.(4x +DL, 8x coming out)
- wish they have DL (still testing, all these years)

so who is on the move?
++++++++++

why is - slow in development?
use your common sense!!!!!!!!!!!!

"""""Common sense: because the DVD Forum is, and always has been, very careful in what it releases. The RW Alliance, on the other hand, has always been plagued by poor quality control and unstable tech. The +DL is still quite volatile."""""

Is that why Pioneer (main member of DVD Forum) came out with +DL burner?

What I am saying is that DVD forum has all those time for development, yet they are still behind!!!
that's ridiculus

of course they have to be careful, because they are already behind.
one wrong move, they're dead.