IT WORKED!! Now a question?

Well, I got my Teac burner setup as a dual layer capable dual format drive and the first thing I did with it was copy a DVD to DVD+R. I used DVD Decryptor and copied LOTR: ROTK WS to my HDD. I then used Nero Recode to "Remake A DVD" and got rid of everything but the main title and the 2 channel english soundtrack. The video quality got to 60.8% and I used "Advanced Analysis" for better quality. I can hardly believe how good the copy looks and sounds. In fact, I can't really tell a difference in the picture between it and the original. Is this what I should expect from using this process? Is everyone getting these type of results? Lastly, is there anything I can do to improve the end product?

Thanks.

Did I miss something here, you burned a dual layer and got it recoded to 60%? If it is 1 dual layer disk copied and burned to one dual layer disk, how could it be reduced to 60%?

Shrink can produce excellent results even with this level of squeeze. I've run double Shrinks on videos before and still had good results, so a 60% result certainly can be as good as your eyes are telling you...

What is the model # of your TEAC burner? DV-58E?

I never said I burned a Dual Layer DVD, only that I got the drive setup with that capability. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Yes, I am quite pleased with the results. But, now that DL is a real option, even this method will soon besome obsolete. That is, once DL media becomes affordable.

The Teac model number is DV-W58G-A02. It is a Lite-On SOHW-832S for half the price now.

Originally Posted by Sulaco

Yes, I am quite pleased with the results. But, now that DL is a real option, even this method will soon besome obsolete. That is, once DL media becomes affordable.

Afforadability is not the only issue with DL. Compatability w/ existing players sucks and I think DL burning is still a ways away for consumers. Who is going to want to buy new players to play these DL? Ill stick w/ my single layer dvd burning for a while.

Seems to me like Sulaco has just discovered what many of us have known for months, maybe even years. This will be one of those NOOB posts you will look back on in a few months and think "Why the hell did I post that?"

What is that supposed to mean? I don't know how to make what I said any more clear. And I am not a "noob". In point of fact, I have been here longer than you.

Originally Posted by Sulaco

I never said I burned a Dual Layer DVD, only that I got the drive setup with that capability. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Yes, I am quite pleased with the results. But, now that DL is a real option, even this method will soon besome obsolete. That is, once DL media becomes affordable.

The Teac model number is DV-W58G-A02. It is a Lite-On SOHW-832S for half the price now.

My mistake, your original post did say DVD to DVD+R backup.

I am not going to argue with you LOL!

And stop hijacking my thread.

Thus far you have added absolutely nothing of any benefit to me.

Sadly, the more time you spend looking at reduced DVD's and originals and making comparisons, the less happy you will be with transcoded output. It's like a learning process...

Phase 1:
Single layer backups.

Phase 2:
One-click transcoding.

Phase 3:
"Advanced" transcoding.

Phase 4:
Movie-only re-encoding.

Phase 5:
"Advanced" re-encoding.

Of course, new programs like DVD Rebuilder are making Phase 4 obsolete, and you skipped phase 2 entirely.

- Gurm

What firmware did you flash the drive with that added the capability?

I used a firmware from this site.

http://codeguys.rpc1.org/oc.html

The Teac DV-W58G-A02 is a re-branded Lite-On LDW-812s (or something like that, not looking it up right now) and the 812 is actually an 832s which is the new Lite-On DL drive. [/url]

I know this is off topic but the best thing about posts like this it to read them and just think 'I was new to this one time and got a hard on with my first successful backup' and walk away instead of adding childish posts and name calling but you alway get one

who gives a flying flock if Sulaco reinvented the wheel and why does it bother people so much if he tells others?

Gurm has got it spot on as most people will be happy with results probably because they haven't experienced the other options or do not have the means to see a 'true' comparison. Basically Sulaco is chuffed with the quality so chill and walk away unless you can tell him in a nice manner that this is just the tip of the iceberg and there are other tools that will give him better quality if he wants to put a little research into it

all he needs is a simple push in the right direction

how long you have been a member and post counts mean sweet FA and shouldn't even be mentioned :P

p.s. the posts are harmless really but I guess the 'wanker' name calling part is what got my attention. Imagine sitting in a pub and chatting to someone you don't know. After 2 exchanges of conversation you then get called a wanker. That person would be sat on their arse before they had even finished the sentence. Some attitudes in forums would get people a good kicking in my neighbourhood but I suppose it's too easy to hide behind a monitor

call me the forum police or whatever you want but jimmalenko it's time to grow up mate

Thanks MackemX.

At 60% it may look fine on your tv, but wait until you try it on a high def set.

no thanks necessary mate

just making a point that's all as I hate people who get abusive to those less knowledgable or less inexperienced and that name calling was a little OTT for me I suppose

anyway, I know you are happy with 60% but what setup are you using to view the backup? How big is your TV etc?

bottom line is that a few of us here know that if we were in the same room and pointed out the differences in your backup, you would soon be looking for something better . I've done this quite a few times with friends and family . Basically it just depends on your perception of quality and the equipment used to view the video as to whether you are satisfied or not

I have a Sony TV. It is a 36" Trinitron and on this particular DVD, I used the "16:9 Enhanced Mode" for playback which basically compresses the horizontal scan lines to give a more "Progressive" appearance. All I have to do is set my DVD player to output to a 16:9 TV. (To me, it looks as good as a true Progressive Scan image when using a reference DVD.)

I use a good quality component video cable from my source which is a Sony DVP-N655P DVD player.

I looked at the DVD again and I really am amazed at how well it turned out. I have created plenty of stuff on CD (SVCD, etc.) and have also thrown some things on DVD,< but this is the first time I have seen an image this comparable to true DVD quality.

Maybe I can take a picture of it tonight so you guys can see for yourselves and maybe give me some input.

Oh, I also played it on a Toshiba DVD player using a junky composite input to a low-end 27" TV and it still looked good.

I dunno, maybe my inexperience with video editing is what makes the picture quality seem so good but I am not new to video, only to video editing, so I like to think I know a good picture when I see one.

Honestly, why should anyone care about any post? Because discourse is the backbone of any forum, that's why

What I got from jimmalenko's post (correct me if I'm wrong) was a very mild ribbing to someone who all but stated that they are a n00b. Kind of like someone's first beer getting them wasted and someone saying, "next year, you'll probably need a six-pak to get a buzz." (using the pub analogy)

As far as the name calling, Sulaco is the one saying his dick is bigger, so it's obvious he's not being jovial about it. 20 posts in 2 years is not very contributory to this community, so "I've been here longer" means nothing.

no real need for picture comparisions as some parts of the DVD will probably look identical to the naked eye under normal viewing conditions. The parts that may show a slight difference are fast moving multi coloured scenes

there will be differences in some areas that could be pointed out but it's not as obvious in this case as I would presume that LOTR is 2.35:1 which will contain black bars in the image. This will have an effect on the quality as space can be saved just on these black bars alone

some other factors that will affect end quality are the original average bitrate and quality of the transfer

if you used 60% on a 4:3 DVD with a low bitrate, poor source and fast action scenes then you may see a totally different picture . This is why you get such a varied opinion of acceptable quality settings from people

one of the tools that uses CCE probably be of more use at 60%

one of the tools that uses CCE probably be of more use at 60%

What is CCE and what tools do you mean?

I see what you mean about the source difference. I will have to try a poorer quality DVD and see what happens.

lol , I'm not surprised by your attitude one little bit Supreme2k

I mentioned it was actually harmless but it's the actual 'wanker' part that I stated in my p.s that got me to post. I suppose that's another attitude problem I also notice around some forums, if you are not loyal to a forum then you are not welcome

yet again who gives a flying flock if someone joined when this site first started but only now decided to post? Replies like that will just force them to go somewhere else

I can argue all day with you and get you to snap and start with the name calling (I could name a few members straight off) all day mate but bottom line is some people don't wanna see the shite that some ego boosting arseholes post around here and I guess 95% of others don't either. This is a DVD forum with people of various abilities not a f'in junior school playground

let's just see how many more worms come out of the woodwork now I've said something . The wiser ones will actually say nothing at all and let this thread get back on topic or die a fast death 8)

if the guys I sometimes jump onto don't like the heat then stay outta the kitchen

Originally Posted by Sulaco

one of the tools that uses CCE probably be of more use at 60%

What is CCE and what tools do you mean?

I see what you mean about the source difference. I will have to try a poorer quality DVD and see what happens.

CCE is Cinema Craft Encoder and is an encoder that other programs can use to re-encode the video. DVD2DVDR is a program that uses CCE as the encoder and does most of the setting up of CCE for you. DVDRebuilder is another one but that also does complete 1:1 backups. It may be a little confusing at first but once you do it a few times it's rather easy

try a search and you may find more info about it as to what it does and people's opinions

I guss it's just best to avoid your posts, since they are nothing but inflammatory.

It matters a great deal that someone posts so little, then starts a thread like this one. It shows that they haven't even been reading posts that show that this subject/method is old hat.

Oh ok, I wasn't sure about the abbreviation.

Originally Posted by Gurm

Sadly, the more time you spend looking at reduced DVD's and originals and making comparisons, the less happy you will be with transcoded output. It's like a learning process...

Phase 1:
Single layer backups.

Phase 2:
One-click transcoding.

Phase 3:
"Advanced" transcoding.

Phase 4:
Movie-only re-encoding.

Phase 5:
"Advanced" re-encoding.

Of course, new programs like DVD Rebuilder are making Phase 4 obsolete, and you skipped phase 2 entirely.

- Gurm

Gurm or MackemX, I downloaded all the stuff for DVDRebuilder, just curious as to how long it takes to process with QuEnc in the high quality mode on an average 2 hour movie? Rough estimate?

GKar,

No idea. With CCE in 2-pass VBR mode, on my machine, the entire process start->finish takes somewhat less than 3 hours. I'd say closer to two, but I haven't timed it.

- Gurm