Panasonic ES10 vs JVC MH300 for VHS

[djnice]

Source: Commercial PAL VHS tape with MV
Chain: JVC HR-S7600 --> AVT-8710 --> DVD Recorder
On 7600: TBC/DNR ON, Digital 3R ON, Edit mode, B.E.S.T ON
On 8710: All default
Cables: Profigold S-Video

Pana ES10, XP mode, Line-in NR ON


JVC MH300, XP mode


Why different the colour temperature? Which one is the correct (natural)?

[StuR]

Hi djnice,
'nice' images. I prosume your referring to the fact there both LSI processors.
They both look good, the JVC must be uping the colour saturation. I don't know which looks most natural but on first sight I like the JVC's. It's good to see an example from the JVC MH300. I've been considering buying one or the MX10 hd/dvd/vhs, they both are the same period -last model burner.
I'd really like to know from someone who has one if the 'bitmate optimiser' is useful. I've wondered if a VHS>HD at HQ (or ever DV quality) and then HD>DVD at SP or LP gives a better range of bitrates (higher peaks and lower troughs) due to dual pass system. JVC seem to claim this.
Also can you upload different menu backgrounds as with this Pro-line model.
JVC SR-DVM700
manual page 62. http://www.jvc.co.uk/files/instruction_manual/lpt1104-001b.pdf

if it's available it'll be at
[ MENU -> Inital Setup -> Menu Background -> Update ]
really interested to know.

[StuR]

djnice anything on the bitrate optimiser and the background menu's?

[lordsmurf]

At XP mode, there's really nothing for the machine to screw up on. They are using the same settings with the same chips, so it's no surprise that they appear pretty identical in those images.

Move to 3 or 4 hours each and you'll see Panasonic noise, while the JVC is steadfast with good image quality.

[djnice]

The ES10 has its own encoder chip, not LSI.
The JVC's bakground menus are various decorated windows (plain).
About bitrate optimiser has no info.


SP (2hrs) images:

Fast moving scene:

Pana:


JVC:

[StuR]

cheers for the reply, you did check the options in the menu for 'update' to upload different bitmaps?

As far as second moving pics go the JVC is either a good bit better or the Pana is a good bit worse, with the blockyness at the top right. All in all the JVC must win on this account regardless of the slight colour difference in the first pics. but then I prefered the JVC for the first too anyway .

Oh, and the bitrate optimiser;- the info about it is in the scan I posted I just wondered if you'd ever tested if 'dual pass' VHS>HD then HD>DVD actually improved quality.

a good demo though, cheers

[lordsmurf]

ES10 not LSI? Maybe not. That is a 2005 model, I've slept since then.

At any rate, at XP mode, pretty much all DVD recorders look the same.

Your stills of the fast moving scenes are not useful. The VBR and GOP will differ from encode to encode, even on the same machine.

Stills cannot illustrate what you are attempting to show. You must have motion caps.

[trhouse]

He is right. The ES10 is not LSI. The first Panasonic with LSI was the ES20 which came out only about six months after the ES10. The numbers are a bit confusing because the model after the ES20 was the ES15.

Along the same lines, the stills in the original post compare recorder to recorder but neither recorder is compared to the original image.