BeAll DVD-R EX 4.85GB, any comments?

[scottsoso]

Does anyone hear about this?
http://www.meritline.com/beall-4x-dvd-r-media-4-85gb.html

[thor300]

4.85GB would mean around 4.51 or 4.52 real gigabytes, not that big difference compared to a normal DVD-R. 3.2% more capacity for 30% higher price, doesnt sound like a good deal for now, maybe next year i consider trying one

[VamPYR]

no more BeAll in my ENTIRE burning world!

i had enough, nearly 500 of rubbish!

[Adder_78]

I have burned couple of those (test samples)... Those worked ok... 8)

[888888]

Wow, 4.85 GB. That is sooooo eXtreme! This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Maybe BeAll makes 1.46 MB floppies too, hey that's a whole additional txt file you can fit there!

[aanaravs]

Wow, 4.85 GB. That is sooooo eXtreme! This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Maybe BeAll makes 1.46 MB floppies too, hey that's a whole additional txt file you can fit there!

LOL

[Adder_78]

Wow, 4.85 GB. That is sooooo eXtreme! This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Maybe BeAll makes 1.46 MB floppies too, hey that's a whole additional txt file you can fit there!

The point is not the "extra" size 8) there is another benefit

[888888]

Wow, 4.85 GB. That is sooooo eXtreme! This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Maybe BeAll makes 1.46 MB floppies too, hey that's a whole additional txt file you can fit there!

The point is not the "extra" size 8) there is another benefit

Are you referring to this:

Especially for DVD games which are sometimes a little larger than regular 4.7GB discs

If so, I wouldn't know, don't have any DVD games.

[Capmaster]

Wow, 4.85 GB. That is sooooo eXtreme! This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Maybe BeAll makes 1.46 MB floppies too, hey that's a whole additional txt file you can fit there!

The point is not the "extra" size 8) there is another benefit

And just what is that? Here's the description:

Sole manufacturer of DVD-R/+R media, in Korea, BeAll Developers Inc. has successfully produced, tested and released the world’s only 4X 4.85GB DVD-R EX TM media. As early as 20th of September, starting from Japanese market, the company is expected to world debut the media. The new media offers an additional 0.15 GB of storage capacity to the standard 4.7GB discs widely available and in use. Hence, the market, limited by the media size, only competing by media recording speed, will be impacted.

The BeAll's DVD-R media feature a reliable and cost effective format for data and video
recording, distribution, and archiving with a life expectancy over one hundred years.

Manufacturer: BeAll

Media Type: EX DVD-R, Extreme eXtended DVDR Media
Media Storage Capacity: 4.85GB
Media Recording Speed: 1X - 4X

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

General industry guidelines now estimate office-burned copies of CDs and DVDs could remain readable for 100 to 200 years.

Here's the full article:

http://www.gcn.com/23_5/news/25166-1.html

And the Beall media is 4X max :P

Maybe BeAll makes 1.46 MB floppies too, hey that's a whole additional txt file you can fit there!

Exactly!

[Adder_78]

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

No. It's pointless to explain if you have attitude like this... 8)

But maybe you could take a wild guess what is the benefit for bigger "buffer" in outer edge...

[Capmaster]

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

No. It's pointless to explain if you have attitude like this... 8)

But maybe you could take a wild guess what is the benefit for bigger "buffer" in outer edge...

Attitude?

And you feel that having a buffer is necessary? Hint: Buy better media. Dye spread isn't an issue with decent media <wink wink>

[Adder_78]

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

No. It's pointless to explain if you have attitude like this... 8)

But maybe you could take a wild guess what is the benefit for bigger "buffer" in outer edge...

Attitude?

[888888]

[quote="Adder_78"]

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

No. It's pointless to explain if you have attitude like this... 8)

But maybe you could take a wild guess what is the benefit for bigger "buffer" in outer edge...

Good work with your mod powers Cap! Sarcasm like that should not be tolerated!

[Adder_78]

And you feel that having a buffer is necessary? Hint: Buy better media. Dye spread isn't an issue with decent media <wink wink>

That was not the point. Yes I know that the good media like Verbatim, TDK, TY etc don't have problems in the outer edge. But maybe BeAll (normal dye) does The point is that it will help prevent the problems in the outer edge.

[Adder_78]

[quote="888888"]

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

No. It's pointless to explain if you have attitude like this... 8)

But maybe you could take a wild guess what is the benefit for bigger "buffer" in outer edge...

Good work with your mod powers Cap! Sarcasm like that should not be tolerated!

Yes it's great. Specially when the Cap did say the sarcastic comment and I just gave him little bit feedback and he got angry (?) and gave me a warning. I know the rules and I'm sorry if this message is violating the rules. Sorry Cap, I just don't see the reason why you attacked against me? I did not start the "fight". If this is the Videohelp forum style then I'm in wrong place and you can delete my account. I respect Moderators and I'm respecting you Cap. No offence.

[Capmaster]

Situation resolved via e-mail

[Capmaster]

Maybe you're referring to life expectancy? Why would I go from an estimated 100 - 200 years we currently have, to a media with half that life?

No. It's pointless to explain if you have attitude like this... 8)

But maybe you could take a wild guess what is the benefit for bigger "buffer" in outer edge...

Good work with your mod powers Cap! Sarcasm like that should not be tolerated!

Thanks six butts

[Capmaster]

Nothing to see here....

Back to the topic.

Does anyone have any experience with this media? I don't see any advantage in an additional 150MB, especially since there's a price premium.

Does that seem worth it to anyone?

[steve2713]

I definitely don't see it worth the MUCH higher cost vs. 'regular' media. I don't think that there will be much disagreement there. However, this reminds me of when CDRs (CD-RWs, anyway) were only 650mb, but eventually they increased them to 700mb. Now people will scoff at CDs if they aren't 700mb, so maybe this could be the start of a trend for DVDRs to get a slight increase in size. I doubt it, but I can always hope . It would be nice to squeeze a bit more out of single layer discs, if they could be produced for the same cost. 150mb would be just that much less that we'd have to compress dual layer discs, etc.

[Capmaster]

Steve - do you recall if they charged more for the 700MB CDs?

[steve2713]

I can't recall whether they jumped in price when they increased them to 700mb or not

I'd certainly think that people had to pay a premium for them over the 650mb discs initially, but that is only opinion as I can't recall... Now I'm gonna have to try to dig up OLD prices or something

[Capmaster]

I can't recall whether they jumped in price when they increased them to 700mb or not

I'd certainly think that people had to pay a premium for them over the 650mb discs initially, but that is only opinion as I can't recall... Now I'm gonna have to try to dig up OLD prices or something

It wouldn't surprise me since it's an excuse to jack the prices up :P

But you're right. The 700MB discs have become such commonplace that it's hard to find the 650 anymore

[popeye1497]

But come on, those BeAll's are twice the price of TY's

[Capmaster]

But come on, those BeAll's are twice the price of TY's

Yep. $1.11 ea (100 cb). TY are $54?/100 cb. That's an awful expensive 150 megabytes I'll take Taiyo any day even if they were the same price

[steve2713]

I agree they are WAY overpriced, my point was that maybe other manufacturers of media will also release these slightly higher capacity discs. I know, probably not going to happen. But I'm guessing the cost of producing these discs is probably little if any more than their 'standard' discs. You never know, 6 months from now there may be several companies selling these, at similar prices to 'standard' media. Looking back at CDRs, 650mb was the standard 'spec' and 700mb discs were technically not within CD-ROM specs, so who knows whether these might take off or not? We all know now that 700mb is now the standard, not 650mb. And obviously they are not priced any different than 650mb discs, if you can even dig those up. We can always hope...

[lordsmurf]

My last 300 CD-R were 650MB, right from the store. The el-cheapo specials.

[steve2713]

lordsmurf, I'm shocked that you would buy crap media You, of all people, hater of all media el crappy...

(buy them at Compusa?)

[lordsmurf]

lordsmurf, I'm shocked that you would buy crap media You, of all people, hater of all media el crappy...
(buy them at Compusa?)

You don't need special CD-R media when it's for something like 10MB here, 20MB there. Best Buy.

[steve2713]

True - and it's very hard to screw up a CD burn versus DVD burning. I just figured you might be using them for Music backups, since you bought 300 , where you might actually want good media.