Help Me To Reduce Dropping Frames...!!!

[Max2000]

I did exactly everything mentioned in this site on how to capture movie(http://www.vcdhelp.com/mjpeg.htm) by using VirtualDub and the HuffYuv codec but resulting in too much dropped frames. I'm afraid this kind of situation will greatly affect my VCD quality when I burn it later. Seems that the frame started to drop even after 3 seconds the capturing process begin.

I'm capturing using ASUS GeForce3 V8200 Deluxe, Pentium 4 1.5G, 30GB Maxtor 7200 rpm

[vhelp]

Max,

You gotta be using the wrong app or something you're not telling us!

Anyways, use avi_io

I can't seem to get a good cap with vd these days and drop frames
like crazy. With avi_io, maybe 7 frames an hour - and STILL no frame
drops.

Give avi_io a try
And, remember, for anything more then 352x240, select "Preview" under
"Video Settings", and don't worry about the jitters in the window - it's normal!

Oh, what are you capping from???
Please give MORE details about your system/software settings/capture hardware!!

[Max2000]

Thanks vhelp for your attention.

Maybe these will give you an idea on what I did resulting to such a bad dropped frames output:

Setting under VirtualDub:
1.source: Composite
2.video format : 352X288 for PAL
3.image format : 24 bit RGB
4.video compression codec: HuffYuv
5.predict gradient : Best quality
6.audio compression : CD quality
7.audio format/attribute : PCM 44100 Hz;16 bit stereo 172KB/s
8.frame rate : 25

I'm using Windows XP and capturing TV programme.

[vhelp]

max,

Everything seems to be in working order 1-8, but just drop the VD thing
and give avi_io a try!

Also, if your tv programs Cable or Satalette??

[Roginator]

A comparison:

Setting under VirtualDub: (use AVI_IO instead)
1.source: Composite
2.video format : 352X288 for PAL (I can get 720x480 for NTSC if I turn off preview AND overlay when capturing)
3.image format : 24 bit RGB (use YUY2)
4.video compression codec: HuffYuv
5.predict gradient : Best quality (use fast setting)
6.audio compression : CD quality
7.audio format/attribute : PCM 44100 Hz;16 bit stereo 172KB/s
8.frame rate : 25 (29.97 is possible with a 1.4GHz Athlon)

Maybe you are using a lousy WDM driver for your capture device? VfW (Video for Windows) is still the standard for decent capturing. Also, Win98se is my OS... keep it simple I say.

[Max2000]

vhelp : I'm capturing from a satelite Tv programme and also from VHS to backup my old video.

roginator : Nvidia WDM 1.04 driver

Anyway, thanks for such a quick response from all of you. I'll tell you after I try AVI_IO this evening.

Thanks.

[vhelp]

Max,

Ahh. . . Now, I see you are using the WDM driver. Ahaaammmm!

Ok, first, I'd like to say that I have tried and used the VFW wrapper
when I used the ATI Rage Fury for my capturing tests. I'll say this. . .
in MY system, it suckec big-time!! But, that's my system. Also, I
was trying to cap at 352x480. I really don't remember trying to
do anything higher. My problem with the 352x480 was this, it would
only produce somethign like 8 or 16 colors in my AVI playing.
So, I quickly gave up on the VFW wrapper thing. But, you may want
to try it. Heck, you may end up NEEDing it anyways, if you can't get
avi_io to work (recignise it)

What's wrong with using MMC's "Video in" app??? I'd like to know
why you arent using it.

I think it's important for brief history - so I (sometimes, we) can now
where you came from, and maybe stier you corerctly. I don't know. . .
Maybe I'm not making any sense, but I ment well, he, he....

Hurry up and try the above and them some. I hate it when people
take there sweet old time, he, he...

[Max2000]

Yepp....AVI_IO is great. I just try it and with 15 FPS, it recorded 6 dropped frames for 5 minutes capturing times. Is that considered good in terms of quality???But using 25 FPS, I never experienced dropped frames for 5 minutes capturing times also. Hope no dropping frames when capturing up to 2 hours.

Well, thanks for recommending me AVI_IO, but one thing....AVI_IO is a shareware.....I really hope I can get the full version for free without downloading it every month. I don't thing I can rely on credit card transaction to get that thing(US25.00). I prefer using check even though it will take some times.

Anyway...thanks again.Sure I'll be back again later after capturing my favourite movie and making my VCD using Nero Burning ROM.Hope there's no problem afterwards, so that I can enjoy my home-made VCD.Well....Check this forum for I'll be back again seeking your kind assistance.

VHELP : Wanna know my brief history..???I'm from Malaysia

[PatMar]

Max


be sure that the DMA option for the Harddisk is turned on at the device manager of Windows.

[vhelp]

Max,

Sorry, I didn't mean your personal history, he, he...

I ment your computer / video capturing endevers history!

I don't know if I have the shareware version or fullversion
or legal version or whatever version. I've downloaded just
abouve EVERY avi_io I saw on the net via Googles search enging.

I was looking for the one with the new Pause feature. I did finally
find it, but its a trial version and only capture about 10min or less
of video. I don't how much the actuall legal copy is or how to
order one, but I'm not gonna order it via credit card!!! Period!!
I'd much rather just send them money oder - and would!
I have now since, belived its much better (contieance'wise) to legally
own you own copy of things. But, I do have maybe one issue with
avi_io. You HAVE to re set the codec, ie, Huffy and audio EVERTIME
you want to capture. Sorry, guys at avi_io, but you HAVE to, MUST
fix this issue before I go out and buy this app! Fix this and you'll
have a happy customer I just can't see how they can be so
blind to this handycap. Really!

But, I use Virtual dub too. When I can get it to work. Actually, I
have it working right now on my video card setup:
* ATI Rage Fury (agp)
* ATI-TV Wonder
* windows 98 (first one from july, don't know the name they use)

my spelling is pretty bad. plus, I'm just too fast on the keyboard.

Later.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-12-08 11:12:08 ]</font>

[rockhunter]

i don't know if this will help...but it's worth a try. i'm creating SVCD's for a client and NO frames dropped was the only solution for me. i was using ulead video studio 5 to do the capture, but was getting a few dropped frames every ten minutes or so. a call to their wonderful tech support told me it was either a problem with my hard drive or my video card. so i read everything that i could on this list, tried tons of stuff and finally came up with a program that caputures my video without dropping ANY frames! go to the tools section here and download ScenalyserLive. You don't see much about it here, not sure why, but it's the only capture program i've found that doesn't drop any frames. try the demo version to make sure you have the same success. if so, it's well worth the $33 to register. now i capture everything with ScenalyserLive, then do the rest of the work with VS5 and my SVCD look AWESOME!
good luck

[vhelp]

rock,

I will give this app a try. I'm always game for NEW things to play with, he, he...

[vhelp]

rock,

I will give this app a try. I'm always game for NEW things to play with, he, he...

I will post my results here today!

Later.

[vhelp]

Ooops, its for DV capturing and what-not!

Oh well.

[Roginator]

AVI_IO has a menu option for SAVE SETTINGS under the File menu.

[vhelp]

roginator,

Sorry dude, don't work! Done that first time, and many, many times!

What is saves is things like,
* resolutions
* frame rate
* disk capture location
* etc.

But, not my current:
* codec (ie, Huffy) and
* audio
. . .settings!

I have to ALWAYS RESET them at every capture!
And, if damn anoying!

IE, if I capture something for a couple of minutes, and then go
to capture something else, click on (Record) button, and capture
something for maybe a much longer, I get a rude awakening that
"Disk is Full" error!
Can't be! But true.

Whenever I start an new capture (right after I just finished a capture)
avi_io must reset some things, like my codec (HUFFY) and audio (PCM)

You know something that I don't ? ? ?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-12-08 14:30:18 ]</font>

[Roginator]

Maybe the purchased copy has greater functionality as compared to the pirated or demo versions floating around.

Mine saves everything. I never have to mess with settings.

[Max2000]

ScenalyserLive..???I never heard it before...Why not to try?? Surely, I'll find the best one before spending a penny to get registered version. Be back later after trying this new thing..!!!

[vhelp]

I've managed to get Virtualdub to work with min. frame drops.
I'll get like, maybe 2 frames in 15 minutes. But, my hd is
pretty fragmeted at this time. I useually reformat or defrag
when only one 1k file is stored (a .vdr file for virtualdub)

I've ben playing around w/ capturing while using a filter.
I am currently testing the filter for Deinterlacing while capping
from Satalette. So far, quality has ben great. I burned a cd
this late night, and it looks as good as my normal process
for capturing (w/out filtered captures)

Anyways, my setup is:
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* Windows 98
* ATI Rage Fury Pro (agp) (not used for capturing)
* ATI-TV Wonder (I only like capping at 352x480)
* VFW driver (I used hauppgues version, though not using hauppage card)
* WDM driver (not using, but is listed in avi_io and VD)
* APPs: avi_io and now Virtualdub
* Encoder: TMPGenc 12a
* SVCD or xSVCD cuz I use 352x480

My System specs:
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* Athlon T-Brd 900mhz w/ pc133 128mb ram
* plus (above) specs

Thats about it for now.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-12-09 02:07:45 ]</font>

[Max2000]

Now...I'm really MAD...I try to capture this afternoon and the AVI_IO shows alot of dropping frames using the same setting where no dropping frames recorded last night.

[vhelp]

max,

WHAT DID i DO:
------------------
* what R U capping
* its source (tv/vhs/sat/dvd,etc.)
* DID U INSTALL OTHER "CAPTURE" APPS IN YOUR ENDEVERS (yesterday?)
* did U tinker with other settings, since yesterday w/ other apps (above)
* did you LEAVE your pc on since yesterday and started caping today?

Try and turn off your pc, and WAIT 35 seconds (need to be sure reg. & things
are cleared) then turn pc back on... not turn off, and 1 sec later turn back on.
Now, see if you captures are frame-free, if not, then you did SOMETHING
to your setup or one of the above

I sometimes have problems too, like this, but not so bad, and what I do
is turn my pc off and wait for 35 sec then turn back on and make sure I have
NO other apps running in the background.

What kind of system did you say you have?

Later.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-12-09 10:32:40 ]</font>

[Max2000]

Thanks for your tips....
I'll try it and be back later.

Anyway....have you heard about ASUS Digital VCR??Since I'm using ASUS card, I think it's worth a try...

[vhelp]

max,

the point I was making earlier, was that something ate away at
your resource, etc. Maybe U went into a big app, lie Ulead or
something. BUt, all it takes is the right app (even small ones)
to still resources and sometimes, without cleaning them up and
returning them to ya. This might have happended to you, and
other out there with this same problem. That's why I suggested
that you turn completely off your system and wait 35 seconds for
EVERYthing to clear then restart you pc. No, not close down all
all and then you resources will replenish it'self. Doesn't work
like that. Again, some apps, still resources, and then NEVER
return them, or whatever.

If you apping worked w/out frame drops, that pretty much it! (above)

Later.

[Max2000]

yes......you're right. I now can cap without dropping frames anymore....I'm still preparing allot of MPEG-1 files to burn to vcd using different setting and different capturing programmes. I'll tell you the result later.