Cutting DV Without Re-rendering

[wwaag]

Anyone using software that will permit cuts-only DV editing (like removing commercials) without having to re-render the entire file??

I have Adobe Premiere 6.5, but even for simple cuts-only, it still renders the entire file when exporting.

Thanks.

[The village idiot]

Edit studio from http://www.puremotion.com. Download the demo, and the mpegXS demo. I am very pleased with the results going to DVD. You can take DV, and cut out commercials, then either convert to another format or copy back out to DV tape. Support from them has been excellent!

It is also a very easy to grasp user interface.

[Nolonemo]

Vegas Video 3 or Vegas 4. I don't think Premiere should be rendering after simple cuts, though, are you sure you're saving to the exact same format?

[yg1968]

From what I have read, Ulead VS 7.0 will do this.

[stormcrow]

Adobe 6.5 does not reencode a clip that has only been simply mainpulated (ie cut) under the following conditions.
1. in the timeline, nothing has been done to make the red rendering line appear.
2. the recompress box in the options in unticked.
3. you export the file with the same dv codec you wrapped it in from tape. (ie avi with MSDV)

When exporting, it will go through the "rendering" dialogue and take a long time, but it is only resequencing and rewrapping the bits, not actually reencoding the video. even if there are areas that do have to be rendered (transitions, titles, etc.), the rest of the material will not be.

[TheInformer]

wwaag:

This might be me, but can't you just use Virtualdub to edit the commercials out then frameserve to TMPGEnc to encode?

[energy80s]

Virtual Dub won't accept DV files, keeps saying that it needs VFW rather than Directshow.

[TheInformer]

energy80s:
Virtual Dub won't accept DV files, keeps saying that it needs VFW rather than Directshow.

I've been using VirtualDub for the past 10 months to edit my DV files - taking out commercials, filtering, etc etc. Back then I used Win98SE. Now I use WinXP (mainly because of the ability to have huge file sizes) and everything works fine.

Now, if you're trying to capture video then VDub needs VFW.

The original question though dealt with editing DV files, which VDub does well.

[fingernailX]

In my experience VirtualDub will not open the audio portion of a type 1 dv avi. If the Informer has that working (Type 1 files without converting to Type 2) then maybe he will share how its done. It will open the video portion however. Tmpegenc will save the wav audio out of a type 1 files. You can open this as a wav audio source with the type 1 video in virtualdub thus saving a little time and disk space versus converting to type 2. Handy for converting to xvid/divx 2 pass vbr

[astroruben]

Where can I find "How to guide" on doing this cutting with Premiere 6.5?
Thanks.

[energy80s]

I have never gotten any version of VDub to open any DV file on any operating system on any PC! Nor have I ever gotten VDub to capture anything. It just seems to be a good little editor for basic AVI or MPEG1 video files.

[TheInformer]

http://www.ulead.com/download/dvconverter/dv.zip

Download the above file (it's listed in the Tools section) to convert your Type 1 to Type 2 DV files. Once that's done, VDub works like a champ.

As for energy80s' problem, give us more info

What is the source of your DV files? Camcorder? ADVC-100 box? Internet?

DiVX, DV, and AVI files all have the same extension (.avi). Is it possible that the 'DV' file you're trying to load is really a DiVX file?

[wwaag]

Thanks for all of the responses!!

Thanks especially for the Vdub suggestion--my first introduction to this amazing freeware.

I use Scenalyzer to capture my DV input (either a Canopus ADVC-100 or a Sony GV-D200). In Scenalyzer you can specify DV type 1 or 2--I use type 2. Opens up in Vdub without a problem. Was easily able to edit out the unwanted material (I'm recording for laserdisc) and then frameserve to either Tempgen or a MainConcept encoder. Also able to directly save the WAV file which can be coverted to AC3 and then combined with the M2V file from Tempgen to produce the DVD VOB files using Ifoedit. I'm still playing around with different filters to have the output look as close to the original (Star Wars). Using Tempgen with the noise filter, it's pretty close, although a very lengthy encoding time.

Any suggestions on recommended filters in Vdub would be greatly appreciated.

[jm78]

You can also use the 'Project Trimmer' tool in Adobe Premiere to render an edited AVI file in the timeline. It will save the edited DV AVI as a separate file if you choose.

John

[energy80s]

As for energy80s' problem, give us more info

What is the source of your DV files? Camcorder? ADVC-100 box? Internet?

DiVX, DV, and AVI files all have the same extension (.avi). Is it possible that the 'DV' file you're trying to load is really a DiVX file?

DV files from a Canon DV camcorder. TMPGenc and the Panasonic MPEG1 encoder can open these raw, but VDub won't. It won't even open them if I convert them to Type 2. Likewise it doesn't open MPEG2 files. And I've never gotten it to recognise my ATI AIW 128 Pro video card - even with the so-called wrapper! On, and it won't save out in DV .avi format either. And I can't get TMPG to accept a frameserved file from it. Other than that, it's a great piece of kit!!

[yg1968]

In case, you haven't done so already, you also need to install a DV codec such as the Panasonic DV codec for the type 2 DV avi files to work. (Installing the Canopus DV codec will not help you).

[energy80s]

There are various DV codecs installed, but I don't really care about "Type 2" as everything else uses "Type 1" and I haven't the time to do the conversions. It's just as handy to edit up everything in VideoStudio and save the output as a new DV .avi and load that directly into either TMPG or Panasonic.

[yg1968]

Various DV codecs? That might be your problem. You can only install one! (well, actually, you can install one DV codec plus the Canopus DV codec). In any case, the DV codec only gets used for type 2 DV avi files. Type 1 DV avi files use the Directshow built-in Microsoft DV codec which is included with the Microsoft Direct X software.

You can capture directly in type 2 DV avi files with DVapp or DVIO (freewares) if you ever need to do so. For what it is worth, I tend to use type 1 DV avi also.