Woo Hoo! My DVMC-DA1 is here...

[TheInformer]

I won an auction for it on eBay last week, and it arrived in the mail yesterday.

Setting it up is a no-brainer:
1. Plug power in
2. Plug composite cables from VCR to DVMC-DA1 input
3. Plug DV cable to PC firewire card from DVMC-DA1
4. Turn unit on
5. Run DV capture program

That's it. That's all.

I did a short test by capturing part of the ending action sequence from Aliens: Special Edition (it's the part right after where Ripley opens the airlock and the alien gets shot out). I figured converting to digital format (DV, MPEG-1/2, etc) from VHS tape is something lots of folks (me included) want to do.

I pressed play on the VHS player, and clicked on capture in the DV capture program. After about a minute, I stopped the capture and pressed stop on the VHS player. Not too much work there.

The DVMC-DA1 converts between analog and DV format. Once the capture was done, I encoded the video to MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 format using TMPGEnc v2.02 (free) and Vegas Video v3.0 (x-pensive). The results were inpressive! Sad (for them but great for most of us) to say, TMPGEnc held its own against the commercial Vegas Video when it came to the quality of the encoded files. BTW, I encoded using the VideoCD defaults in VV and the default VideoCD template in TMPGEnc.

If anyone has any questions regarding this unit, feel free to ask. I will be doing more conversions from VHS and TV to DV format in the immediate future now that I have the DVMC-DA1.

[sommersby]

It would be nice to have an honest comparison to capturing with a good video capture card using vdub to this box, I would be interested in the results.

[zx80]

I have the DVMC-DA2 and also capture to DV.
Yet I cannot read those clips into TMPGEnc.
What codec/OS do you use to do so?
Thanks.

[TheInformer]

zx80: I honestly don't know which DV codec I have installed at the moment. I've installed many 'demo' video apps to see how well they work (and uninstalled after). Possibly one of their codecs remains and is being used?

What you can do is go to Google (http://www.google.com) and search for:
canopus dv converter

Canopus puts out a free program to convert between DV types 1 and 2. My guess is that you need to convert your DV file to the other type and then TMPGEnc will read it in.

sommersby: If I had the money to buy a capture card, I'd compare it to the DVMC-DA1
All I can say is that it's a piece of cake to set up and puts out DV files with a minimum of fuss.

[TheInformer]

A quick update - the DVMC-DA1 can capture TV

Here's my setup (each connection here is via coax cable):
CABLE FROM WALL ---> VCR#1 ---> VCR#2 ---> WINTV PCI/FM

I've connected the yellow, red, and white composite cables from VCR#2 to the DVMC-DA1. When I turn the unit on and run a DV capture program, I can capture the TV signal and convert straight to DV format.

BTW, DVIO is a nice little DV capture program.

[jtor]

here's the link to the canopus file converter

http://www.justedit.com/products/fileconv.php3

I'm considering this analog-to-digital converter gadget also, but what's bugging me is macrovision. is there a workaround, or should I not worry about it?

Thanks.

[TheInformer]

Macrovision is basically an aberration in the video signal that causes copies to look like crap (in a nutshell).

The SIMA CopyMaster strengthens and cleans the video signal from one video source to another.

I'll let you do the math

[jtor]

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Thanks.

I was considering this.

http://www.simplydv.co.uk/advc100.html

[TheInformer]

jtor: The Canopus converter looks good, and I believe it has one feature that the DVMC-DA1 doesn't - it can work with PAL video. I do not believe the DVMC-DA1 works with PAL video (please correct me if I'm mistaken!).

The CopyMaster runs about $50 from Circuit City and the DVMC-DA1 was $200.
It costs a bit of money for these, but the time saved was worth it.

I chose not to go the USB Instant DVD route because I wanted to be able to edit the captured video,
and MPEG compressed files do not lend themselves to easy editing.

[Lilvee2k]

Hi can someone please help me to clarify the Sony DVMC DA-1 for PAL does this have a special name on the back. I ended up buying the Sony DVMC DA-2 not realising it s NTSC and our system is PAL is not compatible. Can someone please send me an image on how to identify the European version. Thank you

[The_Doman]

Hi can someone please help me to clarify the Sony DVMC DA-1 for PAL does this have a special name on the back. I ended up buying the Sony DVMC DA-2 not realising it s NTSC and our system is PAL is not compatible. Can someone please send me an image on how to identify the European version. Thank you

From what i myself have searched and the comments on a recent Youtube review of this device there is no PAL version available unfortunately.
Same with the DVMC DA-1
DV forums: Sony DVMC-DA1 digital converter & new Macs

VWestlife: USB video capture devices ALL SUCK - but there's a solution (DVMC DA-2)

[Lilvee2k]

Hi, thanks for replying back I purchased the Sony DVMC DA-2 from USA and along with a NTSC to PAL to NTSC converter. The picture is awful my VHS collection is PAL this device is is NTSC, however this post says DVMC DA1 PAL and when I searched on ChatGPT it says there was a European PAL version. Is there another device out there that can do the same job as the DA2 Cheers
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[Barrythecrab]

You got a real gem with that CMD-1200!

[The_Doman]

I purchased the Sony DVMC DA-2 from USA and along with a NTSC to PAL to NTSC converter. The picture is awful my VHS collection is PAL this device is is NTSC, however this post says DVMC DA1 PAL and when I searched on ChatGPT it says there was a European PAL version. Is there another device out there that can do the same job as the DA2 Cheers
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Yes, with such a "contraption" of devices/converters it is no surprise you end up with terrible results.
What did you expect yourself?
When you have PAL video there is no sensible logic to convert back and forth to NTSC/PAL.
From what i know there are no PAL versions of those devices?
Out of interest after seeing that VWestlife video i searched on my local marketplace (Netherlands) for it too.
From what i read the functionality is about the same as a Sony DV/Digital8 camcorder with analog pass-trough function.
If you can find one cheap, even with broken tape mechanics, that could be an option.
There are other DV camcorders which can do the same or standalone PAL DV converter boxes like those from Canopus and others.
But those boxes are old now and to find good working devices is not easy/cheap i think?
I have here 2 Pinnacle DV movie boxes, A TerraTec Cameo DV Convert 800 and a Sony DCR-TRV120E.
The Sony gives by far the best superior results when converting to DV.
Possible also because those other boxes are old/worn out resulting in fuzzy/unstable/flickering image.

But why specially the DV route?
Another possible option would be to find/get a (good working!) Panasonic DVD/HDD recorder (for stabilization/comb filtering composite to S-Video) and a decent USB capture device?
Or possible that CMD-1200 has some TBC/stabilization features too?

[Barrythecrab]

The CMD is a TBC even if not altering Pal, NTSC, etc. it works as pass-thru. I’ve seen minor improvements in Line TBC on some tapes, but it’s best use is as a Frame TBC. Pretty difficult to find now.

[lordsmurf]

The CMD is a TBC even if not altering Pal, NTSC, etc. it works as pass-thru. I’ve seen minor improvements in Line TBC on some tapes, but it’s best use is as a Frame TBC. Pretty difficult to find now.

The 850 model in his image has no TBC function of any kind. If the bottom reads 1200, somebody swapped the case bottom. Beware of shady sellers. Also, not all 1200 are the TBC version, and in fact most are not.

[lordsmurf]

You got a real gem with that CMD-1200!

That model is not a 1200.

[Barrythecrab]

Wow, my error, they look identical, and the 1200 was mentioned.

[snafoo]

Ok. Here is my question, which many who watched a certain YouTube video back in November would like to know the answer to. The video was made by vwestlife. It was about the fact that many VHS capture devices are subpar. Then he brought up the game changer. The Sony DVMC video converter. He said it has a built-in TBC. Someone in the comments of that video said it is not true. I read another comment in that video that said that the device has a very poor Functioning TBC.

What is the answer?

Also, as many of the viewers of that video can attest to, the PRICE of the Sony DVMC's (either the DA1 or DA2) skyrocketed after that video was released! They were $50, or so, before the video, and $300+ after it. Is the device worth $300? Is the VCR used to make the video clips vwestlife made in his video one of the JVC ones with the built-in TBC? Or maybe a Panasonic AG-1980? So what is the verdict?

[Sharc]

It was about the fact that many VHS capture devices are subpar.

Many yes, but not all if used properly. And how about the performance and quality of the VCR he was using for his tests?

Then he brought up the game changer. The Sony DVMC video converter.

Thats his view only. If he considers 4:1:1 DV a "game changer" for digitizing analog NTSC video .... oh well ... it's ok for newbies who want a simple plug-and-play solution for NTSC sources, perhaps. Why not.
The non existing PAL variant (?) is a killer for PAL as any PAL<->NTSC conversion is can of worms with numerous pitfalls.

What is the answer?

Use a S-VHS player with internal TBC, for example, and capture lossless interlaced 4:2:2. Plenty of posts on the subject in this and other forums.

Is the device worth $300?

You decide what it is worth to you to have a simple setup and capture procedure using risky legacy ebay video gear.

So what is the verdict?

To each his own.

[Lilvee2k]

Hi Guys thank you for your replies. I used ChatGPT for advice and found that the information like you guys have said above, ChatGPT gave me wrong information. So my ComWorld KV-5000 apparently has a built in TBC? The Sima CT-200 was for (erm other reasons lol macro). ChatGPT said there was a European version of the Sony DVMC (E) I’m unable to find this. So I have ended up buying a Canopus ADVC 110 and Formac Studio DV and a S-Video Panasonic VCR with built in TBC. I appreciate the advice and replies I will reach out if I have any further questions. Thank you

[lollo]

What is the answer?

The answer is that he's testing a bad VCR playing a bad tape and discovered that a DV approach is more robust compared to the (not recommended) USB capture devices. Not a surprize.

But when using a recommended S-VHS with integrated TBC and a recommended USB capture device playing the same tape, he would discover that the DV approach is lower quality, because DV compression and subsampling of chroma. (I do not comment on the intrinsic quality of the A/D video conversion of the different devices because I do not own the Sony DVMC).

So, as Sharc wrote, capture YUV 4:2:2 lossless from a Y/C source with the recommended workflow.

[dellsam34]

Hi Guys thank you for your replies. I used ChatGPT for advice and found that the information like you guys have said above, ChatGPT gave me wrong information.

Stop using chatGTP for obsolete stuff like these, Even people in this hobby can give you mixed answers, Use ChatGPT for modern stuff that is well documented and searched by millions daily.

[Lilvee2k]

I can confirm that the ComWorld PAL SECAM NTSC converter model KV-500 (not 5000) has a built in Time Base Corrector I finally found the manual online. So I am thinking connecting my Panasonic S-VHS via s-video into the comworld KDV-500 then into my Canopus ADVC 110 via FireWire then using QuickTime on IMac to capture the VHS tapes. Since I’m in the UK I will be selling off the Sony DVMC DA-2 NTSC as it is no longer needed it has been modified by the person I originally purchased this from he has replaced the power socket with a USB C input and can be powered by a normal 5v adaptor or computer.

[rgr]

Hi, thanks for replying back I purchased the Sony DVMC DA-2 from USA

Nowadays, using this makes little sense.

and along with a NTSC to PAL to NTSC converter. The picture is awful my VHS

NEVER use these converters.

[lordsmurf]

I can confirm that the ComWorld PAL SECAM NTSC converter model KV-500 (not 5000) has a built in Time Base Corrector I finally found the manual online.

No, it does not. The KDV-500 does not have any TBC inside.

ComWorld was a rebadger brand in the 00s, and the documentation was pathetic. It was shared documentation, often using stickers on the front cover per model. Same book, but different units.

I've had all but one of the ComWorld releases in-hand. The metal 1500 still eludes me, after a decade of looking.

Stop using chatGTP for obsolete stuff like these,

People keep screwing themselves over by listening to the AI bots -- and ChatGPT (OpenAI) is by far the worst model, way behind Gemini (Google) and Claude (Anthropic). And both of those still make tons of errors on these video capture and hardware topics.