ADVC 110 Working Fine on Win 11 Build 23H2

[Hugger1]

Hi all...first post here and my goal is simply to provide some info for others wondering if the ADVC 110 is a viable option for capturing video on a Win 11 system. By viable I'm stating it works as advertised, I'm not at all addressing the quality of a 4:1:1 DV capture vs capturing in 4:2:2 using another option. I last used the 110 in 2010 to capture my family VHS tapes to a digital format. It worked; 30 VHS tapes converted to digital. I hadn't thought about the old videos until I saw an ad on TV about a Google phone that could manipulate videos using AI. That got me thinking about what could be done to improve the quality of my family videos. I plan to recapture the tapes now that I'm using a computer that is multiple times faster than the one I used in 2010. I found the 110 and realized the old PCI 1394 card would not work on the modern board with only PCIe slots. Ordered a new Firewire card, got it today, hooked up everything and...nothing. WinDV and VLC just kept showing error messages that weren't helpful. The 1394 card showed in Device Manager as did the 110 as an imaging device. I checked multiple sites such as this one reading about the woes of using Win 10/11 and thought maybe I had upgraded computers to the point the old hardware wouldn't work. I read about legacy 1394 drivers, then read that Win 11 does not need to have legacy drivers loaded. I then read another post on a site not nearly as popular as this one and found the solution...I needed to go to Privacy & Settings > Camera and turn on "Let desktop apps access your camera". Turned that switch to "On" and presto...ADVC 110 works perfect. I've added an attachment to show system info and shots showing that both WinDV and VLC recognize the inputs and also shows exactly which 1394 card I purchased as there are discussions out there concerning TI vs Via chipsets; this card uses Via. Bottom line, if you're reading this because you either have, or might be considering buying a used ADVC 110 and are wondering if it will work on Win 11 (23H2, newest version) to capture as DV 4:1:1 (NTSC) or 4:2:0 (PAL) files, yes it can.

With that info passed, I'll now say I plan to recapture all the tapes using a USB device instead of the ADVC 110. This is because after spending days on this site and others, I've decided to capture in 4:2:2 lossless so when I finally select what AI tool to use to enhance the videos, the AI engine will have as much raw data as possible with which to do its magic. Thanks to all that have posted explaining the benefits of capturing to 4:2:2...I now have a great excuse for spending 100s of hours playing with a new hobby!

[ghost2k8]

what AI tool are you using? and what exactly does it do?

[aramkolt]

Why not do a 20 second capture of the same content with both a 4:2:2 USB device and the ADVC-110 and feed both to your AI and post samples of the results? On paper, 4:2:2 should be better, but I always like seeing proof, not promises. I plan to do some of my own testing eventually on just the actual capture difference, but would be curious to see if it really matters to the AI in how well it processes things.

Would be even more interesting to do a recapture of one of your tapes again using the ADVC and compare it to the same capture you did 13 years ago and post a clip of each - I'm always interested in whether VHS really does "degrade" as much as is theorized. Of course storage conditions do matter, but theoretically your captures from 13 years ago may be better than what you are able to do now and the AI might do even better with those.

[irmichiesto]

Hello, I read about your experience with great interest. I’m very interested in understanding whether I should buy an ADVC110 or if it would be better to purchase a USB device. What do you mean by 4:2:2 capture? I live in Italy and my videotapes are in PAL. What would you recommend I buy to get good capture quality? At the moment I have a Dazzle DVD HD, but I can’t get it to work on Windows 11

[lollo]

What would you recommend

The recommendation is always the same: high end S-VHS VCR with TBC and Y/C output (together with the conditions of the tapes, the most important element in the capture chain) and one of the suggested capture cards (IOData GV-USB2 or Hauppauge USB-Live 2). If needed add an external TBC. Capture YUV 4:2:2, lossless, interlaced.

ADVC110 is a good alternative, but providing slightly lower quality because DV compression and 4:2:0 color space.

[CaptureCraft]

I would recommend to avoid USB cards as the capture process is very sensitive to CPU load for the capturing process (not for entire OS). The higher the CPU load the more frames get dropped. Even if the load is very low, like 8%-10%, the frames still get dropped.
I did a lot of captures with IO Data GV-USB2 - wasn't happy. I switched to internal cards.

[lollo]

I would recommend to avoid USB cards as the capture process is very sensitive to CPU load for the capturing process (not for entire OS)

That's because your system/methodology is not optimal/optimized. The CPU load while capturing lossless is always very low.

Dropped frames are due to defects in the tapes or to a bad workflow (no TBC, no optimal hardware, no optimal hardware/software set-up, etc.). In standard conditions you can capture hours of (good) video from USB without a single dropped or inserted frames.

[CaptureCraft]

I would recommend to avoid USB cards as the capture process is very sensitive to CPU load for the capturing process (not for entire OS)

That's because your system/methodology is not optimal/optimized. The CPU load while capturing lossless is always very low.

Dropped frames are due to defects in the tapes or to a bad workflow (no TBC, no optimal hardware, no optimal hardware/software set-up, etc.). In standard conditions you can capture hours of (good) video from USB without a single dropped or inserted frames.

The CPU load depends on your level of video compression. The higher the compression the higher the CPU load.
The captures were done using the same tapes and the same workflow. So, I would say it's a fair comparison.
Also, how would you know if there were or weren't any dropped frames? Could you share how you determine that?

[lollo]

The CPU load depends on your level of video compression.

I wrote "The CPU load while capturing lossless is always very low".

The captures were done using the same tapes and the same workflow. So, I would say it's a fair comparison.

Is not fair if you change form USB to internal. And the first was obviously a bad capture, not because the USB connection, but because the user.

Also, how would you know if there were or weren't any dropped frames? Could you share how you determine that?

On top of the reports of the capture softwares (including my own), for most of my captures I can compare frame by frame, field by field with the same content available on optical support (DVD or Blu-Ray) or through a dump of a digital brodcast (DVB-S / DVB-T) of the program. Just as easy as that.

[dellsam34]

Capturing into a compressed format is so 90's, Not needed anymore, storage is big, data transmission rates are high, thanks to USB 3 (Though USB 2.0 is still sufficient but right on the edge), The only downside of capturing USB is to have a dedicated capture machine optimized for just that task, People tend to use their everyday computer for capturing and then start to complain about issues.

[CaptureCraft]

The CPU load depends on your level of video compression.

I wrote "The CPU load while capturing lossless is always very low".

Perhaps clarification is needed. Do you mean when you capture or when anyone captures?

The captures were done using the same tapes and the same workflow. So, I would say it's a fair comparison.

Is not fair if you change form USB to internal. And the first was obviously a bad capture, not because the USB connection, but because the user.

The way I understand your point it shouldn't be matter if it is USB or internal card, but now you say it is not fair to compare them. How's that? And how exactly it is bad capture because of the user? What this argument is based on?
And just to clarify, the tests were done for all the cards (USB and internal) with different CPU load, which was controlled by different compression level of the encoder. So, the lower the compression was, the less frames were lost. For the internal card the CPU level were frames started to drop was much-much higher.

Also, how would you know if there were or weren't any dropped frames? Could you share how you determine that?

On top of the reports of the capture softwares (including my own), for most of my captures I can compare frame by frame, field by field with the same content available on optical support (DVD or Blu-Ray) or through a dump of a digital brodcast (DVB-S / DVB-T) of the program. Just as easy as that.

I'm not sure I see the connection between capturing video from VCR and content on some DVD/Blu-Ray. Do you mean you use just to test the flow?

[CaptureCraft]

Capturing into a compressed format is so 90's, Not needed anymore, storage is big, data transmission rates are high, thanks to USB 3 (Though USB 2.0 is still sufficient but right on the edge), The only downside of capturing USB is to have a dedicated capture machine optimized for just that task, People tend to use their everyday computer for capturing and then start to complain about issues.

I capture in 10-bit, so 3 hours of uncompressed video would take about 2.4TB.
Mmm, no thanks.

[lollo]

Perhaps clarification is needed. Do you mean when you capture or when anyone captures?

Are you serious? I understand that you are not familiar with high-end captures, but please do some effort.

The way I understand your point it shouldn't be matter if it is USB or internal card, but now you say it is not fair to compare them. How's that? And how exactly it is bad capture because of the user? What this argument is based on?

Yes. I meant that USB capture is not an issue, but rather the user not doing the right stuff (you!). Is it more clear now?

I'm not sure I see the connection between capturing video from VCR and content on some DVD/Blu-Ray. Do you mean you use just to test the flow?

I suspect thar you are just trolling and have little understanding about capturing. To help your understanding, I can compare a capture from a VHS/S-VHS source versus the same program that has been released on optical media, i.e. TV Shows. Is it more clear now?

In any case, there are tens of people in the forum capturing from USB without problems, if it does not work for you the probem is you, not the method! Is it more clear now?

[lollo]

I capture in 10-bit, so 3 hours of uncompressed video would take about 2.4TB.
Mmm, no thanks.

Capturing in VHS/S-VHS in 10-bit is just a waste of space and does not add any benefit at all. Do yourself a favour and set your workflow to 8-bit capturing.

[CaptureCraft]

I capture in 10-bit, so 3 hours of uncompressed video would take about 2.4TB.
Mmm, no thanks.

Capturing in VHS/S-VHS in 10-bit is just a waste of space and does not add any benefit at all. Do yourself a favour and set your workflow to 8-bit capturing.

I did. And I didn't like the results. Now I'm capturing using 10-bits. Now I'm happy.

[lollo]

I capture in 10-bit, so 3 hours of uncompressed video would take about 2.4TB.
Mmm, no thanks.

Capturing in VHS/S-VHS in 10-bit is just a waste of space and does not add any benefit at all. Do yourself a favour and set your workflow to 8-bit capturing.

I did. And I didn't like the results. Now I'm capturing using 10-bits. Now I'm happy.

Then post here a sample of a 8-bit capture and a sample of a 10-bit capture to compare and to show why you are happy. I will do the same after that ...

[CaptureCraft]

Perhaps clarification is needed. Do you mean when you capture or when anyone captures?

Are you serious? I understand that you are not familiar with high-end captures, but please do some effort.

High-end captures using low-level USB devices?!?
Well, that's an art I would never understand.


[QUOTE=lollo;2786646]

The way I understand your point it shouldn't be matter if it is USB or internal card, but now you say it is not fair to compare them. How's that? And how exactly it is bad capture because of the user? What this argument is based on?

Yes. I meant that USB capture is not an issue, but rather the user not doing the right stuff (you!). Is it more clear now?

The only thing is clear is that you're trying to gaslight me. You don't know anything about me or my set, but you know for sure that what I have is wrong.

[QUOTE=lollo;2786646]

I'm not sure I see the connection between capturing video from VCR and content on some DVD/Blu-Ray. Do you mean you use just to test the flow?

I suspect thar you are just trolling and have little understanding about capturing. To help your understanding, I can compare a capture from a VHS/S-VHS source versus the same program that has been released on optical media, i.e. TV Shows. Is it more clear now?

In any case, there are tens of people in the forum capturing from USB without problems, if it does not work for you the probem is you, not the method! Is it more clear now?

OK, then what do you with some home video when there nothing to compare to?
Also, how these tens of people know if their captures are without dropped frames? Or all of them capture materials, which are available on DVDs?

[CaptureCraft]

I capture in 10-bit, so 3 hours of uncompressed video would take about 2.4TB.
Mmm, no thanks.

Capturing in VHS/S-VHS in 10-bit is just a waste of space and does not add any benefit at all. Do yourself a favour and set your workflow to 8-bit capturing.

I did. And I didn't like the results. Now I'm capturing using 10-bits. Now I'm happy.

Then post here a sample of a 8-bit capture and a sample of a 10-bit capture to compare and to show why you are happy. I will do the same after that ...

Not sure about the video, but a few snapshots could be done.

[lollo]

High-end captures using low-level USB devices?!?
Well, that's an art I would never understand.

The recommended devices are not low-end. Their video chips and A/D converters and USB data bridges are just as good to capture all details contained in a VHS/S-VHS video.
If you use a (supposed) better device you are just using a larger box to contain a small object. The same as per a 10-bit (useless) capture.

The only thing is clear is that you're trying to gaslight me. You don't know anything about me or my set, but you know for sure that what I have is wrong.

I do not know you, and I have nothing personal against you, but I can read what you write. If you state that a USB capture means dropped frames or that is better to capture in 10-bit, the conclusions are clear.

OK, then what do you with some home video when there nothing to compare to?

Is called "science". You do not validate a theory on every case, you just prove it and go on!

[CaptureCraft]

High-end captures using low-level USB devices?!?
Well, that's an art I would never understand.

The recommended devices are not low-end. Their video chips and A/D converters and USB data bridges are just as good to capture all details contained in a VHS/S-VHS video.
If you use a (supposed) better device you are just using a larger box to contain a small object. The same as per a 10-bit (useless) capture.

The only thing is clear is that you're trying to gaslight me. You don't know anything about me or my set, but you know for sure that what I have is wrong.

I do not know you, and I have nothing personal against you, but I can read what you write. If you state that a USB capture means dropped frames or that is better to capture in 10-bit, the conclusions are clear.

OK, then what do you with some home video when there nothing to compare to?

Is called "science". You do not validate a theory on every case, you just prove it and go on!

Do you really think the 10-bit capture/storage is just a larger container?

Oh, science. That's interesting. Please tell me, from the point of view of the science, if capturing professionally recorded videos would fundamentally yield the same results as home videos recorded by who knows what cameras and in who know what conditions? And, therefore, no additional tests are required.

[lollo]

Do you really think the 10-bit capture/storage is just a larger container?

Is not a question of "thinking", is a fact.

Please tell me, from the point of view of the science, if capturing professionally recorded videos would fundamentally yield the same results as home videos recorded by who knows what cameras and in who know what conditions? And, therefore, no additional tests are required.

There is nothing that can be done "professionaly" in term of VHS capturing that cannot be matched with the rigth equipements and expertize by experienced people. Science and facts.
(watching a comparison between a digitally dumped DVB-S stream of an original broadcast of a video and its version recorded/captured on S-VHS on my youtube channel should tell you something)

[CaptureCraft]

Do you really think the 10-bit capture/storage is just a larger container?

Is not a question of "thinking", is a fact.

Wow. I'm speechless. After that statement I'm definitely not going to visit your youtube channel.

Please tell me, from the point of view of the science, if capturing professionally recorded videos would fundamentally yield the same results as home videos recorded by who knows what cameras and in who know what conditions? And, therefore, no additional tests are required.

There is nothing that can be done "professionaly" in term of VHS capturing that cannot be matched with the rigth equipements and expertize by experienced people. Science and facts.
(watching a comparison between a digitally dumped DVB-S stream of an original broadcast of a video and its version recorded/captured on S-VHS on my youtube channel should tell you something)

[lollo]

Wow. I'm speechless. After that statement I'm definitely not going to visit your youtube channel.

I had no doubt about it. Since the beginning!

Still waiting your "evidences"...

[Alwyn]

I switched to internal cards.

What internal cards do you use there, Capturecraft?

[CaptureCraft]

I used Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro 4K, Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro, Magewell Pro Capture HDMI.
All of them have different issues. Unfortunately I found a good workaround for issue with levels too late. By that time I've sold Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro 4K, so I couldn't test it with that workaround.
So, now the best one I have is Magewell Pro Capture HDMI.
Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro is good too, but I have a feeling their 10-bit capture is a fake, i.e. they capture using 8-bit process and then inflate it to 10-bit.
But don't get me wrong, I was starting from the bottom
I started with EZc(r)ap, then I had IO Data GV-USB2 for a long time and only then I decided to try 10-bit realm.
On a slightly side note - component connection is the best! And not just for quality, but also for giving extra not blanked lines on the top and the bottom of the frame.

[Alwyn]

Thank you CC.

[dellsam34]

I capture in 10-bit, so 3 hours of uncompressed video would take about 2.4TB.
Mmm, no thanks.

So you are doing something wrong as Lollo mentioned, SD losslessly compressed is about 70-100GB an hour, So roughly 300GB for 3 hrs. Also 10Bit has no visual effect on the video quality due to the nature of the VHS chroma.

Edit: I don't think 10bit is the reason your files are that high, it must be something else.