No video signal from VCR to virtualdub

[Infoman37]

Hi
I have virtualdub2 and have IO Data GV USB as my capture device. I have the VCR player composite yellow red white (output) to my Panasonic Dmr ES-15 (input). The panasonic ES-15 has a TBC in it and acts as a pass through from the VCR > (RCA) ES-15 > IO Data GV USB 2 capture device (S-video with R + W Audio) When I went to to virtualdub and Tab video source UNDER S-video I was able to see the settings in the ES-15 when I used the remote control. I was able to see the VHS tape in the S-video source as well.

I wasn't able to hear the audio coming from the VHS tape. So I attempted to try to move some cables and then I put it back and now I can't see the VHS tape
video in virtualDub. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I'm missing?

Thank you

[dellsam34]

You must have put some cables in output instead of input, Take pictures of the back of both the VCR and DVD recorder and w'll help you connect them properly.

[DB83]

I do not own this 'pass-through' device yet - someone can correct me here - that you can get composite input to s-video output ?

And saying that there is no audio output under s-video. If the unit can pass the audio without any issue relative to the video then connect composite audio cables from the unit to the capture device. Else connect the audio cables direct from the VCR to the capture device.


Personally, I would capture as composite (audio and video) even with pass-through. Simply forget about s-video and the pass-through device takes care of any TBC issues

[Sharc]

I do not own this 'pass-through' device yet - someone can correct me here - that you can get composite input to s-video output ?

Yes. This way the (3D)-Comb Filter of the passthrough device (ES10 or ES15 or equivalent) helps to significantly reduce the notorious and annoying dotcrawl and rainbow artifacts which are typical for composite video due to its luma<->chroma interference (spectral overlap).

[lollo]

Personally, I would capture as composite (audio and video) even with pass-through. Simply forget about s-video and the pass-through device takes care of any TBC issues

It depends on which device has the better Y/C comb filter, the ES-15 or the GV-USB2. The first is better, so Sharc's suggestion applies.

[Infoman37]

Hi here is the back of the VCR (bottom).
The (top) is the ES-15.

Please let me know if you need for a better picture and l'd be happy to take it for you.

Thank you for your help.


https://files.videohelp.com/u/312644/IMG_20250328_011012.jpg

[dellsam34]

Everything looks wired up correctly, you may need to set the ES15 for the composite input.

[Infoman37]

I really don't want to change the ES that in the S-video because it's working there and if I move it I'm afraid I won't be able to get it back.

I could try to put the VCR in the composite. Keep the ES-15 in the S-video and VCR in composit.

I know it's hard to see in the picture I sent you but can you explain what I'm doing wrong. Show me a diagram of the connection would make so I can see the ES-15 settings and video coming from the VCR player.

Thank you
Will the pass through still work if the virtualdub is in 2 different video sources?

There must be a way to keep both ES-15 and VCR on the same source which would be S-video.

[dellsam34]

You don't have a choice, Your VCR is composite only, the ES15 has to be set to composite input regardless what it outputs, Whether it be composite, S-Video or component, If you read my previous post you see that I mentioned composite input not output, Take the time to read the ES15 instruction manual on how to set it for composite input and choose whatever output you desire. Hope this helps.

[Alwyn]

As far as I can read, there is no setting for Composite or S-Video inputs in the NTSC ES-15 manual I have here.

I'd go back to square one. First, disconnect the VCR. Connect the ES-15 to the GV with S-Video and hit the ES-15 Functions button (this will bring up the functions main menu screen as you had initially, just for testing purposes). Then go thru the various VDub Capture mode options (after setting the input to S-Video):

-Device Settings (check S-video is set in the GV)
-Video menu: all selections in the top section
-Video Source

If that doesn't work, swap to the Composite cable and see if that works (changing the VDub settings to Composite, of course). No go? Then try using the front inputs.

If that works, then add the VCR to the workflow; including trying the front inputs (make sure you select the appropriate input (IN1 or IN2) on the front "Channel Select" buttons).

[Infoman37]

Hi first I want to thank everyone for helping me out I really appreciate it.

I was able to keep the ES-15 connected to the S-video and in the vDub video source it's s-video.

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Now I changed the VCR out input to the GV capture device as composite RWY cables.
I can see and hear the VHS tape in vDub in video sourse as composit.

Summary

ES-15 menu settings > in vDub source > s-video
VCR tape video > in vDub SOURCE > composite

My question is will the VHS video from the VCR be adjusted if they are in 2 different sources. Does it have to be in one source for it to work?

[dellsam34]

If you are not connecting the VCR directly to the capture card vdub doesn't care about your VCR, It only sees the device connected directly to the capture card which should be the ES15, So I don't quite understand your post.

VCR --> Composite yellow RCA cable & red/white RCA audio cables --> ES15 --> S-Video Cable & red/white RCA audio cables --> Capture device --> USB cable --> vdub

This is a typical workflow, how are you connecting yours?

[Infoman37]

[Attachment 86433 - Click to enlarge]
[Attachment 86434 - Click to enlarge]This is your workflow

VCR --> Composite yellow RCA cable

(These red/ white cables are a separate cables from the composite cables? They go into the ES-15)


& red/white RCA audio cables --> ES15 --> S-Video Cable & red/white RCA audio cables --> Capture device --> USB cable --> vdub

Then the from the ES-15 the S-video & the red/white RCA audio cables goes to the capture devise. I did this but shouldn't the composite RCA Red, white & yellow go to the ES-15 if not where there where does the under end go. Please answer this question?

If you look in the picture I'm sending I have the Composite RCA cables out if VCR to the ES-15

Then S-video from ES-15 15 (back of ES-15) red / white audio cables. To capture device.

I have a hard time physically changing the cables so my sister helps me do it. I'm so close to getting it connected to the same source I don't want to give up.

I'm missing something I did it once before I know I can get it again.

Thank you for your your help

[dellsam34]

I don't see anything connected to the ES15 input, Just tell your sister to connect it like the diagram below, It's not rocket sciense, If not find a local TV technician to connect them for you, you can take the VCR, ES15 and capture card and tell them to connect it according to my diagram below, then when you go back home just connect the USB end to your computer:

VCR - (OUT) --> Composite yellow RCA cable & red/white RCA audio cables --> (IN) - ES15 - (OUT) --> S-Video Cable & red/white RCA audio cables --> Capture device --> USB cable --> vdub

[Infoman37]

Dellsam34 OK just to be on the same page.
On the picture of the ES-15 I have the I have the red white & yellow cables in the out I should move them to the ES-15 in. Is that correct?

MY question is I have a separate Amazon basic red & white audio cables. These audio cables should go from the VCR out to the ES-15 IN along with the S-video to the capture device.

In the picture I sent you of the capture device I have the S-video coming from the ES-15 and the Amazon basic red & white audio cables. I don't thing I can have the Amazon basic red & white audio cables coming from the VCR out into the ES-15 in
and in the capture device?

It has to be audio cables ES-15 to capture device and S-video.

I sorry for confusing?

[dellsam34]

Yes I'm confused and I don't think we can be on the same page, Just look at my digram and connect it as laid out step by step, If you can't or you can't find someone to help you locally, there is nothing I can do on my end unfortunatly.

[Infoman37]

Dellsam34

I was able to connect everything correctly. I can view the setting of the ES-15 and VHS video as well as the audio on vdub.

Thanks for your help I really appreciate it.

[dellsam34]

Glad you got it sorted out.