Why is OBS the superior, the state of art Video Capture Software?

[Truthler]

OBS is firstly a video recorder software, and secondary a streamer. Quote: "Free and open source software for video recording and live streaming."
https://obsproject.com/

It has a lot, a lot of plugins which make them far more suerior to other softwares: https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/categories/obs-studio-plugins.6/?page=1
It has technically much more options and settings than any other capture program had in the history of video capture. So can we call other recording softwares primitive because of this? DEFINITELY!

Don't forget the countless plugins for OBS...

[lordsmurf]

OBS is firstly a video recorder software, and secondary a streamer.

It's a streaming/screengrab tool. That's fine. It is what it is.

What it isn't? Analog video capture software.

It has technically much more options and settings than any other capture program had in the history of video capture. So can we call other recording softwares primitive because of this? DEFINITELY!

And none of that stuff matters for analog video capturing.

If you want to re-record Youtube, knock yourself out.
Want to record other video gamers on Stream and Twitch or whatever? Great, have at it, this is the tool you want.
Want to join in the fun, stream yourself on social media, sure, go for it.

FYI, I find the term "Broadcaster" in the name to be hilariously ridiculous. It reminds me of a friend in high school, who worked at a pizza place. On his resume, he called himself a "chef". That's about on par here. Silly little freeware screengrab/stream tools are not broadcaster tools. You might think yourself a "broadcaster" because you have a Youtube channel, but that's not reality. Actual broadcaster knowledge is far more advanced, to the point where even I have some trouble grasping it.

[DB83]

BTW When you write about 'Video Recording' but state in the OP 'Video Capture' do you realise that these are different beasts ? I thought not.


PS Still waiting for that list of the 50 container formats and 40 codecs.

[Truthler]

Isn't it funny, that the Blackmagic forum members also suggest to use OBS instead of the silly factory designed softwares in blackmagicdesign.com, icluding some of their staff members.?
Maybe you (self-appointed "local geniuses") know even more about Blackmagic than their own staff members ))))

https://www.google.com/search?q=OBS++site:https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/&client=fir...XEaBIveEG1w:16

Even in their product descriptions they always write about their full compatibility with OBS... How interesting...

[Truthler]

There are a lot of video about video capturing with OBS. I don't think that many of these Youtube content creators are less professional than you, dear forum members..:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22obs+studio%22+vhs+capture

A lot of video about Blackmagic products with OBS:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22obs+studio%22+blackmagic+capture+-stream

[Truthler]

OBS is firstly a video recorder software, and secondary a streamer.

It's a streaming/screengrab tool. That's fine. It is what it is.

What it isn't? Analog video capture software.

It has technically much more options and settings than any other capture program had in the history of video capture. So can we call other recording softwares primitive because of this? DEFINITELY!

And none of that stuff matters for analog video capturing.

If you want to re-record Youtube, knock yourself out.
Want to record other video gamers on Stream and Twitch or whatever? Great, have at it, this is the tool you want.
Want to join in the fun, stream yourself on social media, sure, go for it.

FYI, I find the term "Broadcaster" in the name to be hilariously ridiculous. It reminds me of a friend in high school, who worked at a pizza place. On his resume, he called himself a "chef". That's about on par here. Silly little freeware screengrab/stream tools are not broadcaster tools. You might think yourself a "broadcaster" because you have a Youtube channel, but that's not reality. Actual broadcaster knowledge is far more advanced, to the point where even I have some trouble grasping it.

I've never called myself broadcaster. However (with a great chance and very high probability) I started capturing videos many many years (around 1998) before you (forum members) even know about its existence.

To be real broadcaster, you must have millions of viewers, it shows that people are interested about your work, even if you have only a primitive webcam. Even if you have the very best equipment, and you have only some hundred viewers per month...than you are just NOBODY on YT, not a real broadcaster.

[DB83]

Absolute crap.


Just because you have 000's of viewers/subscribers does not make you a real broadcaster. In fact there will be some with only a few hundred that have more nous than those who either have a sharable opinion (or big boobies)


Many yt's 'mouth off' because it gives them a 'stiffy'. Even those links are hilarious when the uploaders can not even spell correctly the equipment they promote. But 'easier c(r)app' sums it up perfectly.

[Truthler]

Absolute crap.


Just because you have 000's of viewers/subscribers does not make you a real broadcaster. In fact there will be some with only a few hundred that have more nous than those who either have a sharable opinion (or big boobies)


Many yt's 'mouth off' because it gives them a 'stiffy'. Even those links are hilarious when the uploaders can not even spell correctly the equipment they promote. But 'easier c(r)app' sums it up perfectly.

Bad pronunciation or good pronunciation ....at least some of them often got money from bigger companies because of their promotions. Americans have different pronunciation.

[dellsam34]

You guys have to stop feeding the troll, We already know he has no knowledge more than just google search and copying pasting links, The only cure to this obsession is to ignore it or he will never stop, he is already up to 3 or 4 useless threads.

[DB83]

He reminds me, in that context, to another guy who was very active around this time last year. Before he was banned. Forget his name right now.

[dellsam34]

Yah, Every now and then a weirdo shows up here claiming to be a genius graduated from Youtube university, I'm pretty sure the mods will take care of it.

[lordsmurf]

I started capturing videos many many years (around 1998) before you (forum members) even know about its existence.

1998? I call bullshit. There was nothing really viable at that time, at least not with any degree of quality. I became serious with video in 1992, and kept looking at the digital ingest methods for years. A few $1k+ solutions became available in the late 90s, but it'd max out and stress then-current computers. I was dabbling in digital-shot footage using an SGI server+workstation in 1997. Around 2000/2001, ATI and Matrox both announced viable solutions for the new Intel P4, and I placed a preorder for ATI, and a buddy bought the Matrox (Mac version workflow).

Based on your other extremely newbie VH posts to date, I'd be more inclined to believe that you were born in 1998.

To be real broadcaster, you must have millions of viewers,

No, you must have a broadcast facility. Not a webcam,

Isn't it funny, that the Blackmagic forum members also suggest to use OBS instead of the silly factory designed

(a) Blackmagic is an HD card, with progressive sources, and that ingest can withstand compression. It's still not a good method, but it's viable for the uninformed.
(b) Unfortunately, most Blackmagic users, who use it for SD conversion work, are doing it wrong. The device itself does SD poorly. For example, dropping frames without reporting it. So people who get a non-BM card, and see dropped frames, will get a BM card and see 0 frame drops in software. But the BM just isn't reporting, the drops are there. Problem! (I forget it OBS even has a dropped frames counter. At one point, it did not. Does it now?)

He reminds me, in that context, to another guy who was very active around this time last year. Before he was banned. Forget his name right now.

Was it the babydav guy?

You guys have to stop feeding the troll,

I prefer to think of it as refuting nonsense with facts. I know, a novel idea in 2020, due to politics of the past 5 years.

[DB83]

^^ Ls. Yeah. That was the tosser


Memory plays funny tricks. I wrote in another topic when I first 'dabbled' in analog video capture. The card was def a Matrox and it was around 1997/98 (but could be a little later). But what I do recall was that it captured as mjpeg. The memory gets muddled since that card was later changed for a Marvel and even that had to go due to more 'modern' mb's not having the interface.

[dellsam34]

He is confused about BM hardware, BM has several hardware ranging from SD to 4K, And there are analog capture devices (which are not recommended for consumer analog formats) and digital transfer devices (such as the one I have for Betacam tapes in the other thread that sparked all this), Also there is studio broadcast devices, scalers, scan converters...etc. To paint them all with one brush proves that he is a Youtube university grad, It is impossible to reason with him because he is delusional.

[lordsmurf]

He is confused about BM hardware, BM has several hardware ranging from SD to 4K, And there are analog capture devices (which are not recommended for consumer analog formats) and digital transfer devices (such as the one I have for Betacam tapes in the other thread that sparked all this), Also there is studio broadcast devices, scalers, scan converters...etc. To paint them all with one brush proves that he is a Youtube university grad, It is impossible to reason with him because he is delusional.

To add:

For clarification, Blackmagic is a brand.

My reference to BM is always in regard to their HD cards that "also capture" SD (and quite poorly). It was an afterthought feature, and it's quite obvious in their software and documentation. According to BM support (at one point), those cards were never meant for consumer analog formats. And any reference to VHS was supposedly scrubbed in various places at some point.

Indeed, they have many products, for things I don't need or use. Unknown how well those work, anecdotals are always mixed.

Memory plays funny tricks. I wrote in another topic when I first 'dabbled' in analog video capture. The card was def a Matrox and it was around 1997/98 (but could be a little later). But what I do recall was that it captured as mjpeg. The memory gets muddled since that card was later changed for a Marvel and even that had to go due to more 'modern' mb's not having the interface.

MJPEG was starting to disappear from regular/primary use even in 2001. The Pentium IIIs of the late 90s era would max out CPU, and the frame drop situation was so fragile on interlaced 704/720x480. The other option was degraded DV from Canopus (pre-ADVC).

Until the P4 (and Mac G4), capturing was not fun. Or required something expensive like SGI. And don't forget about large expensive SCSI drives for storage.

Many people downconverted quality to VCDs in the 90s. Yuck. Remember, videohelp.com started as vcdhelp.com. All of the effort was wasted, it looked worse than VHS. I retain some VCDs (mostly commercial Asian discs) only to show how bad VCDs were. VCDs make Youtube look good.

[dellsam34]

I don't think he did any capturing job to differentiate between different types of hardware, he is just throwing youtube links everywhere.

[lordsmurf]

I don't think he did any capturing job to differentiate between different types of hardware, he is just throwing youtube links everywhere.

There was another user that did this, in 2019 or 2020, before being banned. All of his posts were idiotic nonsense, and in most posts he pooped out Youtube links (that often had nothing to do with anything). And he also threadjacked multiple threads with his BS. I don't believe it was babydav, but some other asshat. We need to report this to Baldrick. Do you remember who I'm referring to?

[dellsam34]

No I don't, I do remember babydav though.

[aedipuss]

babygdav? he was on my ignore list so long. thankfully finally left/banned.

[Cauptain]

Read all posts and came to a single conclusion:

Lost 30mns of my life.

The OP didn't add anything that we didn't already know.

Tip: YTB creators are not professionals just because they use professional equipment.

Merry Christmas guys!!



Claudio

[Truthler]

IT is funny to read comments from users who did not even tried the software, or tried it 6-7 years ago. They are kind of fortune tellers, who make comments from intuitons instead of facts and experiences.

[badyu17]

Read all posts and came to a single conclusion:

Lost 30mns of my life.

The OP didn't add anything that we didn't already know.

Tip: YTB creators are not professionals just because they use professional equipment.

Merry Christmas guys!!



Claudio

So glad I didn't lose any minute, mate. It was clear from the first post what's this about. Let's leave this to admins to check it out.

[lordsmurf]

IT is funny to read comments from users who did not even tried the software, or tried it 6-7 years ago.

I tried it earlier this year, in 2020.
You pulled "6-7 years" directly out of your ass. Nobody said that anywhere.

[Truthler]

IT is funny to read comments from users who did not even tried the software, or tried it 6-7 years ago.

I tried it earlier this year, in 2020.
You pulled "6-7 years" directly out of your ass. Nobody said that anywhere.

See the comments of other members, they really never tried it, or they tried it once in the beginning 6-7 years ago.
But still, you can not answer the question, why is VD2 better than OBS for capture? It is not better. None of the famous camcorder manufacturer NV12 color output is supported by VD2. So you can't use: Sony Panasonic JVC or Canon cameras with VD2. It is laughable.

[Tom Saurus]

I am watching a Tutorial about OBS over on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySENWFIkL7c

I think it is a powerful and useful program and my use for it would be not to stream but to capture streaming video that I couldn't get any other way. If I can get a video with Video Downloadhelper or Youtube-dl then I am content with those. If it was a streaming video I wanted and those programs couldn't get it then I would try to use OBS for the task.

I am grateful for jagabo's advice on how to use Youtube-dl. I have learned from lordsmurf, his advice on DVD media had me buying Tayo Yuden blank discs. It is pretty rare for me to bother burning to disc these days I prefer to make a digital file and put that on a hard drive and play it via a media player.

There is so much to learn and having more than one device or software to do something is good as far as I can see.

[lordsmurf]

It is not better. None of the famous camcorder manufacturer NV12 color output is supported.

OBS sucks because it cannot cook me breakfast.
Wait ... were you looking germane reasons? It's hard to tell. Because discussing NV12 for analog video capture is off-topic as well.

[Truthler]

It is not better. None of the famous camcorder manufacturer NV12 color output is supported.

OBS sucks because it cannot cook me breakfast.
Wait ... were you looking germane reasons? It's hard to tell. Because discussing NV12 for analog video capture is off-topic as well.

The title of the topic is not about analog video. So can you give me a serious answer?

[DB83]

Trying to reason with the OP is a pretty thankless task since he can not distinguish wood from a tree.


All bar one is writing about analog tape capture. Just one guess who is not. Ok. Maybe one other but that is still a tape-based format that has to be 'captured'.


This is akin to comparing a SLR to a DSLR. The former is 'recorded' to film that has to be processed. The latter is 'recorded' to a disk and the content is immediately available and transferable to another platform for editing/viewing. And I guess that the majority of those who 'broadcast' use a DSLR.


So do these modern video cameras record to film ? Or is the material transferable to another platform ? I do not own one since my own camera is tape-based but I would have thought that the manufacturers provide an utility, just as Canon did with my non-video DSLR, to transfer the recorded content from whatever medium the motion picture is recorded on direct to the editing platform. No need to replay the content in the camera to re-record the stream. Yes. It is another stream and that re-recording is essentially a transcode of the original and not an EXACT copy of it. So VD2 does not have to support these cameras. It is a phoney argument to state it is useless because it does not. Now if I have this wrong then do correct me.

[Truthler]

Trying to reason with the OP is a pretty thankless task since he can not distinguish wood from a tree.


All bar one is writing about analog tape capture. Just one guess who is not. Ok. Maybe one other but that is still a tape-based format that has to be 'captured'.


This is akin to comparing a SLR to a DSLR. The former is 'recorded' to film that has to be processed. The latter is 'recorded' to a disk and the content is immediately available and transferable to another platform for editing/viewing. And I guess that the majority of those who 'broadcast' use a DSLR.


So do these modern video cameras record to film ? Or is the material transferable to another platform ? I do not own one since my own camera is tape-based but I would have thought that the manufacturers provide an utility, just as Canon did with my non-video DSLR, to transfer the recorded content from whatever medium the motion picture is recorded on direct to the editing platform. No need to replay the content in the camera to re-record the stream. Yes. It is another stream and that re-recording is essentially a transcode of the original and not an EXACT copy of it. So VD2 does not have to support these cameras. It is a phoney argument to state it is useless because it does not. Now if I have this wrong then do correct me.

May I have a suggestion? Please buy an FDR-AX700 instead of tape based camcorder. It is fantastic. And record its live HDMI signal with UTVideo to a small mini laptop.
It is really cool and good.

Capture is nothing more than record a video from a device (let it be already in digital format DVB-T ATSC)
Yes, the recording of digital TV like ATSC or DVB-T is called as TV capture.
Yes, recording of live digital camera source is also a video capture.
So , do not narrow it into digitalizing of analog videos.

[DB83]

Once again no answer to the actual question.


Now I will give up.