Help! What to choose? 7D vs Panasonic HC-X900

[MGmannen]

Hi

I want to buy a camera with quality, what should I choose between Canon 7D and Panasonic HC-X900?
The only thing I know is that 7D have a higher mbps...

EDIT:
I wanna use it for short films

[hech54]

Hi

I want to buy a camera with quality, what should I choose between 7D and Panasonic HC-X900?
The only thing I know is that 7D have a higher mbps...

7D as in the Canon 7D DSLR?
For VIDEO?
Buy the VIDEO camera.

[MGmannen]

7D as in the Canon 7D DSLR?
For VIDEO?
Buy the VIDEO camera.

Yes, the Canon, I forgot to put it in my post, so I've edit my post.
Why would you go for the Panasonic HC-X900?
Thanks for the reply!

[hech54]

Why would you go for the Panasonic HC-X900?

Because a dedicated VIDEO camera does one thing.....VIDEO.
A digital still camera does video as a bonus. It's better at photos than video.
Have you priced Canon lenses?....especially quality wide angle ones (around 18mm)?
IS (image stabilization) Canon lenses?

[flashandpan007]

I have a EOS 650D for taking photos and a HC-X900M for VIDEO, do yourself a favour and take the X900. To be honest, I take more photos with my smartphone, because it is almost everytime with me. The best camera ist the one, which is available at the time you have to shoot pictures ... and a Note 4 has an excellent camera for its kind ...

[MGmannen]

Thanks for the answers guys, but I wish I could get some more technical reasons on why I should pick the HC-X900M. But for now I'm with the HC-X900M. Lenses are not a problem, I know they are expensive.
I should have mentioned what I was gonna use the camera for...

[flashandpan007]

The reason why I bought the cam when it came out was the very clean picture

https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-HC-X909--bauaehnlich-Panasonic-HC-X900M...-3D.html#Aus_d

EOS cams are not good at filming video quality. You get pixel mud encoded as 1080p and you get with the X900M you get nice 1080p 50 fps or 60 fps (59.940) (60.000/1.001) to be exactly but that's another story ...

[Cornucopia]

Why would you go for the Panasonic HC-X900?

Because a dedicated VIDEO camera does one thing.....VIDEO.
A digital still camera does video as a bonus. It's better at photos than video.
Have you priced Canon lenses?....especially quality wide angle ones (around 18mm)?
IS (image stabilization) Canon lenses?

I disagree on this specific point.
Almost NO camera you buy these days does just ONE thing. Video cameras shoot stills, still cameras shoot videos. Depending on the model, some are flexible on one side and not the other, or vice-versa, or both are inflexible or both are flexible. It's all some combination of a lens system, a sensor, a recording function and a storage medium.
Yes, they generally excel at their core functions and less at their peripheral, but it all comes down to what your main priorities are, your budget, and your subject matter. You haven't given us those particulars, so it is totally premature (and partly mendacious) for anyone to give you definitive answers at this point.
If, for example, you are going for "the best" in one particular category, that defines those priorities. You want the "best tool for the job". But if the job is many things, and the time & budget is small, maybe a swiss army knife is the best tool (though usually it isn't).

Scott

[aedipuss]

The reason why I bought the cam when it came out was the very clean picture

https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-HC-X909--bauaehnlich-Panasonic-HC-X900M...-3D.html#Aus_d

EOS cams are not good at filming video quality. You get pixel mud encoded as 1080p and you get with the X900M you get nice 1080p 50 fps or 60 fps (59.940) (60.000/1.001) to be exactly but that's another story ...

that's a pretty ignorant statement about canon dslrs. entire commercial films and parts of major blockbuster movies have been shot using them.


https://www.lightsfilmschool.com/blog/5-successful-dslr-feature-films/2205/
http://talesfromtheargo.com/6-famous-examples-of-the-dslr-canon-5d-mark-ii-in-hollywood/
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls059550382/

[hech54]

that's a pretty ignorant statement about canon dslrs. entire commercial films and parts of major blockbuster movies have been shot using them.


https://www.lightsfilmschool.com/blog/5-successful-dslr-feature-films/2205/
http://talesfromtheargo.com/6-famous-examples-of-the-dslr-canon-5d-mark-ii-in-hollywood/
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls059550382/

If, for example, you are going for "the best" in one particular category, that defines those priorities. You want the "best tool for the job". But if the job is many things, and the time & budget is small, maybe a swiss army knife is the best tool (though usually it isn't).
Scott

Yea.....well I don't see Harry Homeowner dragging all of this shit around on a daily basis:

[Cornucopia]

And that disproves my point how?

Scott

[flashandpan007]

I know, but there are so many better cams today like the GH2, GH3, GH4, nobody buys a Canon DSLR nowadays for filming anymore. This time has gone ...

[MGmannen]

I know, but there are so many better cams today like the GH2, GH3, GH4, nobody buys a Canon DSLR nowadays for filming anymore. This time has gone ...

You have a good point, Panasonic and Sony are really getting up, I see many have replaced Canon. The only down side is that the used market for Sony and Panasonic in my country(Norway) is really small. Canon and Nikon everywhere...

[flashandpan007]

The reason why I bought the cam when it came out was the very clean picture

https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-HC-X909--bauaehnlich-Panasonic-HC-X900M...-3D.html#Aus_d

EOS cams are not good at filming video quality. You get pixel mud encoded as 1080p and you get with the X900M you get nice 1080p 50 fps or 60 fps (59.940) (60.000/1.001) to be exactly but that's another story ...

that's a pretty ignorant statement about canon dslrs. entire commercial films and parts of major blockbuster movies have been shot using them.


https://www.lightsfilmschool.com/blog/5-successful-dslr-feature-films/2205/
http://talesfromtheargo.com/6-famous-examples-of-the-dslr-canon-5d-mark-ii-in-hollywood/
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls059550382/

Not ignorant, time to move on.
https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/CANON-EOS-5D-MKII--Lowlight-Schaerfe-Ass-mit-Zwan...ung.html#Aufl_
Bad resolution -> pixel mud, but there wasn't anything else available then.

Ver interesting is (?was?) the NX1, because it has the best 4K image but its discontinued
https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Erste-Schaerfe-Charts-der-Samsung-NX1---Starker-4...bor.html#Aus_d

The GH4 is also available without maximum recording time of 29:59 per clip here in my country. And Sony has really some nice cams, too but to be honest I'm not a Sony fan, I like Panasonic more.
https://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Sony-Alpha-6300----APS-C-Kamera-mit-4K-bei-voller--12659.html
internal 6k resolution (full sensor readout)

[aedipuss]

it is biased and untrue. why would anyone compare current cameras to the 5dmii? it's 8 years old and long been replaced by the 5dmiii. there are even better newer eos cameras than the 5dmiii. the 1dc is outstanding, the 1dxmii is good and even the lowly 70d, 80d and 7dii are all very nice at both stills and video. besides they have better lenses available than samsung, panasonic or sony could ever dream of.

[flashandpan007]

1DC is way to expensive. Trust me I have a DSLR from Canon and I won't buy a Canon now, there are so many alternatives which gives me the same or better picture quality for a little part of the money Canon wants. No need for a Canon DSLR anymore.

Currently I'm waiting for the GH5 which hopefully has UHD in 50p/60p and maybe also 4k in native 24.000p.

And the 5D MKii is 8 years old, I know, and exactly this DSLR was used for many films and TV series, but the picture quality really sucks:
Just compare the picture in the link
5D MK II vs Panasonic SD300 -> one older predecessor of my four year old X900M, which I still love, I don't sell it

But that is not only my optinion, the users want more mirrorless cams today, no need for DSLRs anymore. Read the special forums ...

[flashandpan007]

Not very sharp the 5D MK III
https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III----Aus-dem-Messlabor---Das-...ben.html#Aus_d

Most users (semi pro and amateur) don't have to spend several k€ on cameras, some years and you have old crap which nobody wants ...
The pros should know what they buy or if a rental is better for one event

[aedipuss]

you're an idiot. just leave and take your idiotic opinions back to your homeland with you. pros use canon dslrs not mirrorless point and shoot crap. if the 5d's quality sucked it wouldn't have been used in major motion pictures and tv shows. take your slashcam.de rubbish and shove it.

[hech54]

How do people get this:

pros use canon dslrs

Out of:
(some people who consider themselves) pros (have been known to occasionally) use Canon dslrs.

[flashandpan007]

you're an idiot. just leave and take your idiotic opinions back to your homeland with you. pros use canon dslrs not mirrorless point and shoot crap. if the 5d's quality sucked it wouldn't have been used in major motion pictures and tv shows. take your slashcam.de rubbish and shove it.

Don't become abusive. We are here in a forum about video.
Anyway, for video you don't need a mirror. You can hear the noise of folding it away when switching to video mode of a EOS camera like on my 650D.

The GH4 isn't a "point and shoot" camera like you're thinking. Take a look here:
http://www.panasonic.com/ca/consumer/cameras-camcorders/compact-system-cameras/dmc-gh4.html
Take also a look at the accessories which is available from Panasonic.

But it is only one camera which is very interesting, the a6300 is, like already mentioned, also very interesting because it has 6k internal resolution also in videomode (-> full sensor readout) not lineskipping like in several other cams used by

(some people who consider themselves) pros

Back to the question of the starter of the thread: Have you already decided?
Forgot to mention that the X909 / X900M has 3MOS -> one chip for each color and each chip has a bit more than 2M pixels -> perfect for 1080p video which you can clearly see on "Messlabor"