How to make this MP4 to play fluently on my computer?

[Bencuri]

So, I have MP4s like the one I attached to this message below. My computer cannot play it fluently. There are occasionall slow downs, jumps, etc. in the playback, it is very irritating. How can I make these to play fluently? I would like to keep the quality as high as possible. Any suggestions?

My computer is a Lenovo B560A type number: 59318626 (Intel i5 proc. with Nvidia Geforce 310M card).

[Baldrick]

Have you tried reconvert with it something? Try for example handbrake / vidcoder, etc. Convert to mp4 with similar setting and use constant quality encoding or same output file size.

[scorpNZ]

Change media player or install latest codec pack it plays like crap in vlc however works fine in klite full & wmp,also use a tripod next time for professional smooth action scenes

[Bencuri]

So, I have MP4s like the one I attached to this message below. My computer cannot play it fluently. There are occasionall slow downs, jumps, etc. in the playback, it is very irritating. How can I make these to play fluently? I would like to keep the quality as high as possible. Any suggestions?

My computer is a Lenovo B560A type number: 59318626 (Intel i5 proc. with Nvidia Geforce 310M card).

I tried, but I didn't manage to get the same outcome as when I watch the videos on TV through HDMI from the camcorder. There are always some jumps, occasionally the playback slows down for a moment, the picture collapses, etc. It is not very pleasing. My computer does the same with the videos of every camcorder I have. I had 10 different ones so far, none of the videos can be played back smoothly on the computer. I wonder what things I have to alter the video to get rid of those irritating problems.

[Bencuri]

Change media player or install latest codec pack it plays like crap in vlc however works fine in klite full & wmp,also use a tripod next time for professional smooth action scenes

I installed klite, but it didn't help.

[smrpix]

You're not trying to play it straight out of the camcorder are you? Your system seems hefty enough for these files, I would look at drive throughput or conflicting open applications.

[Bencuri]

You're not trying to play it straight out of the camcorder are you? Your system seems hefty enough for these files, I would look at drive throughput or conflicting open applications.

I am playing the files from the computer hard drive when I want to play the video on the computer.

[_Al_]

It is so , so, I have first processor and you have second, my should be slightly faster ? compare those two here: http://ark.intel.com/compare/43546,47341
I can play it almost smoothly with Haali renderer within MediaPlayer Classic not butter smooth, it can stutter now and then , so you need something good to render that video maybe Core avc http://corecodec.com/products/coreavc something like that I am no expert and perhaps even then it might not be smooth.

[Bencuri]

My problem with all this is that if I watch a full hd sample, like a trailer of a movie, so those good quality stuff on Youtube, in spite of that it comes from the internet, the playback is smooth. When I play my own videos from that camcorders, those struggle.

[_Al_]

well, that Sanyo video is 60fps, more frames needs to be constructed as oppose more regular videos over internet, 30fps or so

[Bencuri]

So what should be altered to achieve smoother playback? Framerate? Or something else? And what format should these be converted to? What would guarantee the best quality/playback smoothness ratio?

So far I used these softwares to convert:
Microsoft Encoder
Windows Movie Maker
Xlilisoft Converter
Avidemux

I used Avidemux with Sanyo HD1000 60i videos, and it did a good job, the resulting mpeg2 video was fluent, but the quality was not satisfying, and even for that low quality stuff, the conversion lasted for a very long time.

[_Al_]

I'd might add something, do you use win 7 ? Aero mode seems to produce better playback no tearing , perhaps even smoother playback, not sure what went wrong here, Microsoft ?

Or you can encode your video into mpeg2 , I used HCencoder Constant Quantization mode which produced in this case file slightly bigger , average 28Mbit , you original is something 24Mbit.
http://files.videohelp.com/u/198160/mpeg2.59.97p.CQ.mkv

[_Al_]

this is downconversion to 720p , mp4 (H.264,AAC), Megui encoder, CRF 18.0 , Ipad settings for smoother playback on not so strong PC's
http://files.videohelp.com/u/198160/level3.1_CRF18.0%20720p.mp4

this is 60i conversion to mpeg2 in HCEncoder , I took away fields in Avisynth, this method I would not recommend , it is quite painful to watch half of those fields vanished
http://files.videohelp.com/u/198160/mpeg2%2059.97i%20CQ%20HCencoder.mkv

[Bencuri]

It doesn't play better than that I could achieve (I mean the file in your first reply) Jumps occur often when there is that panning part by the railway, but other places too. Very rarely the video plays almost perfectly if I set the playback to loop, but maybe once out of 10 times.

[Bencuri]

With Avidemux I could achieve perfect playback, but that output a file that had very bad guality. Lots of grains in the video... And it was SD resolution.

[Bencuri]

this is downconversion to 720p , mp4 (H.264,AAC), Megui encoder, CRF 18.0 , Ipad settings for smoother playback on not so strong PC's
http://files.videohelp.com/u/198160/level3.1_CRF18.0%20720p.mp4

this is 60i conversion to mpeg2 in HCEncoder , I took away fields in Avisynth, this method I would not recommend , it is quite painful to watch half of those fields vanished
http://files.videohelp.com/u/198160/mpeg2%2059.97i%20CQ%20HCencoder.mkv

Thanks I am checking.

[Bencuri]

The 720p file plays the best, but it is also quite jerky (I mean some jumps occur here as well), it is still not the vision that I see when I playback on TV from the camcorder.

The 60i file is very bad.

But what should I watch these files with? I usually watch files in Windows Media Player or VLC. VLC handles these files you sent poorly. I also have Media Player Classic, that plays the 720p and the Full HD 28 Mbps MKV, but still not perfect.

Anyway, if I reduce the video playback window, the videos play better. If I reduce them to the size of about 30-40% of my LCD screen, they play fluently. When I watch in full screen, the jumps come back, it is very irritating to watch.

[_Al_]

But what should I watch these files with?

VLC gives me less fluent playback
MPC as I said is better because I have Haali media spliter in PC and then I set that preference for it within MPC (key "O" or view options and then make some changes in "External settings" and then in "Output")
CoreAVC might be faster, today everybody it talking about LAV filters or try Pot player it suppose to be fast also ...

[poisondeathray]

VLC is known to be just about the worst

You can try splash or smplayer, they are among the better choices for slower computers.

[Bencuri]

Is it possible that the hard drive is not fast enough in my computer?

[poisondeathray]

Is it possible that the hard drive is not fast enough in my computer?

very very unlikely.

Only if you have it massively fragmented with zero free space, and even then it probably wouldn't matter




Check taskmanager while you are playing, is CPU usage 100% ? You can try increasing priority of the player as well

Make sure you have no other extraneous applications running

[Bencuri]

AL, when I play your mpeg2.59.97p.CQ.mkv file in Splash player, the playback is almost perfect. The 720p file plays bad in that player, however, also the original mp4.

MPC is not good even when selecting the Haali.

The CPU usage is 24% when I play the mkv file in Splash, memory is at 1.64GB.

[jagabo]

Try MPCHC without DXVA.

[davexnet]

My modest PC (AMD x2 2.2GHz dual core) plays in fairly well in WMP 11 (in Windows XP) using the
FFDshow AVC decoder. The CPU is approaching 90% but it looks fairly smooth.

I tried it in MPC-HC and it engages DXVA. I suppose, technically it's supported, but the play back is worthless -
just a series of jumps (and cpu < 5%) - Perhaps it's because the video card, an Nvidia 8600GT with
256MB onboard RAM is just not enough.

I would have thought the original poster would be able to play it using the brute force of the CPU.

[jagabo]

1080p60 h.264 is not DXVA compliant. That's why you have to turn if off, forcing CPU decoding. MPCHC's h.264 decoder (ffmpeg) should be fast enough on an i5 CPU. But the bus bandwidth to a 310m GPU may not be sufficient.

Last I heard, Divx's h.264 decoder was the fastest. CoreAVC second fastest.

[Bencuri]

1080p60 h.264 is not DXVA compliant. That's why you have to turn if off, forcing CPU decoding. MPCHC's h.264 decoder (ffmpeg) should be fast enough on an i5 CPU. But the bus bandwidth to a 310m GPU may not be sufficient.

Last I heard, Divx's h.264 decoder was the fastest. CoreAVC second fastest.

You refer to the playback of the original mp4 now, or to the mkv that al converted it to?

[davexnet]

1080p60 h.264 is not DXVA compliant.

I'm not surprised that this is the case. I wonder why MPC-HC used it,
instead of reverting to the other methods?

It quite clearly said DXVA in the lower left corner as the file played.

[jagabo]

1080p60 h.264 is not DXVA compliant.

I'm not surprised that this is the case. I wonder why MPC-HC used it,
instead of reverting to the other methods?

Double click on the h.264 DXVA decoder. You'll see there an option to skip the level check. Make sure it's not enabled.

[davexnet]

1080p60 h.264 is not DXVA compliant.

I'm not surprised that this is the case. I wonder why MPC-HC used it,
instead of reverting to the other methods?

Double click on the h.264 DXVA decoder. You'll see there an option to skip the level check. Make sure it's not enabled.

I set it to "Full Check" and it still indicates DXVA mode upon playback.

[Bencuri]

1080p60 h.264 is not DXVA compliant. That's why you have to turn if off, forcing CPU decoding. MPCHC's h.264 decoder (ffmpeg) should be fast enough on an i5 CPU. But the bus bandwidth to a 310m GPU may not be sufficient.

Last I heard, Divx's h.264 decoder was the fastest. CoreAVC second fastest.

Where is that DXVA option to switch off? In which menu?