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    Originally Posted by jman98 View Post
    If I remember correctly I think that Verbatim DVD+R DL discs use PTP and all other brands use OTP. The guys who know that for sure have not yet participated in this thread.
    Actually if i remember correctly all +R DL are OTP & all -R DL are PTP, regardless of brand or manufacturer.
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    From what I've read, DVD-DL media is manufactured as OTP only (since recordable media has pre-grooved tracks). So you can't burn PTP even if you wanted to.
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  3. Originally Posted by SLK001 View Post
    From what I've read, DVD-DL media is manufactured as OTP only (since recordable media has pre-grooved tracks). So you can't burn PTP even if you wanted to.
    Ah. That is mad helpful. I do know that my Ritek/Memorex +R DLs are OTP.
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    Originally Posted by Billkwando View Post
    Originally Posted by SLK001 View Post
    From what I've read, DVD-DL media is manufactured as OTP only (since recordable media has pre-grooved tracks). So you can't burn PTP even if you wanted to.
    Ah. That is mad helpful. I do know that my Ritek/Memorex +R DLs are OTP.

    To clarify my point here, I am referring to DVD+R/DL disks. I don't know if things have changed, but DVD-R/DL disks have been far, far from reliable (the Princos of the DVD DL crowd).
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  5. Originally Posted by SLK001 View Post
    Originally Posted by Billkwando View Post
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    From what I've read, DVD-DL media is manufactured as OTP only (since recordable media has pre-grooved tracks). So you can't burn PTP even if you wanted to.
    Ah. That is mad helpful. I do know that my Ritek/Memorex +R DLs are OTP.

    To clarify my point here, I am referring to DVD+R/DL disks. I don't know if things have changed, but DVD-R/DL disks have been far, far from reliable (the Princos of the DVD DL crowd).
    So DVD-R/DL are always OTP, and +R/DL can be either? Or no?
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    Originally Posted by Billkwando View Post
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    From what I've read, DVD-DL media is manufactured as OTP only (since recordable media has pre-grooved tracks). So you can't burn PTP even if you wanted to.
    Ah. That is mad helpful. I do know that my Ritek/Memorex +R DLs are OTP.

    To clarify my point here, I am referring to DVD+R/DL disks. I don't know if things have changed, but DVD-R/DL disks have been far, far from reliable (the Princos of the DVD DL crowd).
    So DVD-R/DL are always OTP, and +R/DL can be either? Or no?
    No. AFAIK, DVD+R/DL disks are OTP only. I know not of DVD-R/DL recording direction.
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    Just about everybody charges the same for shipping. I regularly buy Verbatim's DataLifePlus series of DVD-R or DVD+R (depends on my mood) as 50 packs from rima.com and I think they charge about the same as that.

    Back in the day -R was thought to barely have more compatibility but today all but the most ancient of players really don't care between +R and -R and you can use whatever you want.
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  8. Originally Posted by fritzi93 View Post
    That will fit, although it's getting close to the edge of the disc. I'd try burning a single-layer at 8x or even 4x, with verification.

    You haven't said what single-layer discs you've been using. ImgBurn can tell you the M.I.D. (media I.D.). The usual recommendation here is Verbatim (but not the Life series) and Taiyo-Yuden.
    Here goes teh infoes (the brand is imation btw):

    HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GSA-H30L S544 (ATAPI)
    Current Profile: DVD-R
    Disc Information:
    Status: Complete
    State of Last Session: Complete
    Erasable: No
    Sessions: 1
    Sectors: 2,283,221
    Size: 4,676,036,608 bytes
    Time: 507:24:71 (MM:SS:FF)
    File System Information:
    Sectors: 2,283,221
    Size: 4,676,036,608 bytes
    Time: 507:24:71 (MM:SS:FF)
    TOC Information:
    Session 1... (LBA: 0)
    -> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 2283220)
    -> LeadOut (LBA: 2283221)
    Track Information:
    Session 1...
    -> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 2283221, LRA: 2283220)
    Pre-recorded Information:
    Manufacturer ID: MBI 01RG40
    Recording Management Area Information:
    HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GSA-H30L
    Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
    Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
    Book Type: DVD-R
    Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120mm
    Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
    Number of Layers: 1
    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
    Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
    Track Density: 0.74 um/track
    First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
    Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,479,828
    Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

    When I took the disc out of the player..........I saw some epic spooge. I cleaned the disc. Man this is gonna be embarassing if that's all it was. I had to hold it up to the light and tilt it around to see it.
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  9. Those are Moser Baer discs, made in India. Lordsmurf has them categorized as second-class media here:

    http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm

    Also listed here in the DVD media section:

    https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia?dvdmediasearch=&dvdmediadvdridsearch=MBI+01RG40&type...+or+List+Media
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  10. Originally Posted by fritzi93 View Post
    Those are Moser Baer discs, made in India. Lordsmurf has them categorized as second-class media here:

    http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm

    Also listed here in the DVD media section:

    https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia?dvdmediasearch=&dvdmediadvdridsearch=MBI+01RG40&type...+or+List+Media
    Thanks! I guess I just have to baer with it until I get some verbatims. Gonna pick up a spool of single layer and maybe a 10 pack of DL....too bad they're still so expensive. I'm also gonna check that disc again since I've cleaned it and see if that was the prob. It seemed to play fine on the computer, but most discs do.
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  11. Just to clarify, as this was the original subject of this thread:

    To force a single layer disc to be written on a double layer disc, you can use this trick:

    Rip the DVD to disc (or extract the files from the ISO image).

    With PgcEdit, import any title from another DVD (or even from the same DVD). The title must be sufficiently long to force the total disc data size to be greater than the single layer disc capacity, but not too long, as if you want to have the possibility to select a good layer break point, the double layer disc must not be too full.

    Burn the files with ImgBurn (or create an ISO with PgcEdit, and burn the ISO).

    Notes:

    The title that has been imported will not be directly reachable from the menu of the original DVD, but you should be able to call it via a menu of your player. It can also be used as a backup.

    If, for any reason, you cannot or don't want to import a new title in the DVD, you can also simply add some (non-DVD-video) data on the disc. With PgcEdit or ImgBurn, simply copy them in the folder that is the parent of the VIDEO-TS folder, and burn that parent folder. Your DVD should therefore have the following structure: MyDVD folder, containing VIDEO_TS (with the DVD-Video files), AUDIO_TS (empty), and another folder (its name doesn't matter) with data that act as a filler.

    I fully agree that forcing a single layer DVD to be burned on a DL is probably a bad idea. DL DVDs are usually much more difficult to read, and especially if you have a picky drive, you should try to avoid them whenever possible. Use good quality single layer discs instead.
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  12. Originally Posted by fritzi93 View Post
    With "+R-DL" Layer_0 must be bigger than Layer_1, that's it.
    It's not totally true. It is right that the total size of L0 must be greater or equal to the total size of L1, but that doesn't mean that L0 must contain more data than L1. It is possible to leave gaps between the files on L0, just to consume enough space to be compatible with the size of L1. That technique is perfectly legal, and is used by PgcEdit and ImgBurn. The consequence is that much more layer break points are available than with less good DVD burner programs.

    It is also possible to burn a DL -R with a similar technique, and NOT fill L0 completely, but that technique is complex, and anyway, DL +R is a better choice. (PgcEdit cannot handle DL DVD-Rs, but ImgBurn can.)
    Last edited by r0lZ; 14th Mar 2011 at 06:56. Reason: typo
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  13. Awesome! Thanks for all the info!
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