Need a good SVHS tape for recording

[CCEncoder]

I looked and there was all sort of brands and specifications so I'm curious about which one would be the best to get so I need your advice. I'm want to record on a "Sony SLV-R1000" and I would like to get the best possible quality out of it when I'm recording to the tape from either cable UHF connection or composite-svideo inputs. Today I tried recording with a new VHS tape Premium Quality the brand was Sony but I then compared it with the cable broadcast for exactness (same face, same scene C-SPAN2) I just press STOP looked at the original for a while then press PLAY and looked but I got dissapointed.

[DVWannaB]

send me an email @

digitalvideo2000@hotmail.com

I think I can help you out.

[jmkeuning]

Don't wanna share the secret?

[CCEncoder]

I had found the MQST-120 Broadcast Videocassette to be the best video cassette for its quality of video specifically and it seems the audio is better too. The recommended JVC S-VHS Tapes (ST120SVDU2) have dissapointed me. DVwannaD please reply here your comments.

[edDV]

Today I tried recording with a new VHS tape Premium Quality the brand was Sony but I then compared it

You must use S-Video tape to get over VHS resolution. For comparison, VHS max is 3MHz for luminance (240 lines), S-VHS gets ~400 lines by recording out to 5MHz. The tape cassette has holes to change formats. If you use VHS tape, you won't get more than 240 lines horizontal.

After that, better tape affects signal to noise. Us the internal tuner or S-video in from cable box for best quality.

I have the same model, a Sony SLV-R1000.

[edDV]

I had found the MQST-120 Broadcast Videocassette to be the best video cassette for its quality of video specifically and it seems the audio is better too. The recommended JVC S-VHS Tapes (ST120SVDU2) have dissapointed me. DVwannaD please reply here your comments.

Well then you are on the right track. Other tape won't make much difference. S-Video into a DV camcorder will do better.

[CCEncoder]

doesn't SVHS has the same quality as DVD? How good would it be to transfer all videos to my pc instead then a dv camara? is the dv camara option more direct? less quality loss?

[SingSing]

The Format of this VCR is S-VHS/VHS, and Recording Speeds: SP/EP.

The VCR detect the type of tape via the hole on the tape housing. This VCR don't do VHS-ET with VHS tape.

If you use a VHS tape, then you get VHS quality recording.

For SVHS quality recording, use a SVHS tape from JVC or Maxell.

[davideck]

TDK XP Super PRO has always been my favorite. Excellent PQ with a low dropout rate. Tapes recorded 15 years ago still play fine.

FUJI SVHS Tape has also worked well for me.

[edDV]

doesn't SVHS has the same quality as DVD? How good would it be to transfer all videos to my pc instead then a dv camara? is the dv camara option more direct? less quality loss?

S-Video records analog NTSC or PAL as Y and C. Best results are obtained if Y and C are already separate before recording (e.g. S-Video from a cable box) or if a quality comb filter is used to get Y/C separation.

For Y (luminance) DV has much wider bandwidth (~5.75MHz vs. 4.2-5.0 Mhz for S-VHS). Signal to noise performance for DV is in the range of 55-60dB where S-VHS is more like 40-45 dB for consumer models.

For C (chrominance) DV has ~1.75MHz bandwidth per color component vs. 0.5-1.0MHz for S-VHS and VHS.

The other major issues are audio and time base stability. DV uses uncompressed 12 or 16bit PCM @48Khz (same as DVD), S-VHS uses a FM "HiFi" analog method or low quality linear tracks.

DV is a digital standard. The video and audio are digitized at the input and a stable clock is achieved at that point. S-Video has time base errors related to the mechanics of the transport. The video is only as stable as all the servo motors and guides and springs. That is not very stable at all hence the need for a TBC.

[vhelp]

Evening guys.

I have a JVC S-VHS HR-S3910U, purchased back in Sept/2001.

I use it mainly for EP recordings on standard VHS tapes, but I
record using my vcr's VHS-ET mode. I belive this records like
in ~400 lines, cause the picture is much sharper and detailed
when I record in EP mode, even on stardard grade tape. I am
quite surprised at how much detail is recorded, quality'wise.

As such, this unit does an exceptional job with this setup.

Some of you may be wondering why I am *still* using a vcr and
worse, recording on VHS tape, and even *more worse* in EP mode
Well, because I can. Serious, though. I do this for the hobby
and challenge, plus it does produce very good quality and I get
more video content per media (tape) than if I were to chose SP
mode, which wouldn't get me much video. I got enought dvd recorders
for that, you know. And, if I really want most quality, then
I would use my Polaroid dvd recorder, or even better, and Analog
Capture card. But, I'm content with my vcr and EP recordings,
using VHS-ET mode.

Here are some recent screen grabs (pics) from this vcr. This was
from the Madonna "True Confessions Tour - London", below:


** Analog Cable -> JVC S-VHS HR-S3910U [EP mode] [VHS-ET] -> ADVC-100[IRE: 0.0]


** Analog Cable -> JVC S-VHS HR-S3910U [EP mode] [VHS-ET] -> ADVC-100[IRE: 0.0]

These are recorded onto standard Fuji film, 6Hrs EP mode, tapes.

EDIT 1: if I can, I'll try and post a few frames from the DV source avi, so you
can analise it and compare it with your current equipment.

EDIT 2: Ok. Here is a sample dv avi from the first pic. You'll need winRAR to unzip it.
--> vhelp.madonna.true.confessions.tour.1.rar -- (1.3mb filesize)

-vhelp 4156

[edDV]

S-VHS ET is a newer feature on consumer JVC S-VHS decks and is quite valuable. It can be used at either SP or ELP recording speeds.

ET Mode allows recording wide S-VHS bandwidth (different FM deviation frequencies on the tape) on Premium VHS tapes instead of the very expensive S-VHS tape. The reason they can do this is the quality of VHS tape has improved greatly over the years.

The con is ET mode remains a JVC feature and there is no proper playback except on a ET playback machine. They won't even play on an older S-VHS machine because the old machine reads the holes in the cassette to indicate VHS playback with different FM frequency deviation. I think there is a trick to drill holes in the plastic to make an old machine think it is playing S-VHS.

ET is good for home recording so long as playback will be on a similar ET deck. You get the added picture quality for slightly higher tape costs. The cheapest VHS tapes will be noisier due to the higher frequency FM recording.

[davideck]

Identifying TDK EHG VHS tapes as SVHS (by drilling the hole) yielded great results when recording in SP SVHS mode on my machines. This was long before ET.

[CCEncoder]

Identifying TDK EHG VHS tapes as SVHS (by drilling the hole) yielded great results when recording in SP SVHS mode on my machines. This was long before ET.

Why is the tape same as the svhs epcept it doesn't have the holes on the casing?

[edDV]

Identifying TDK EHG VHS tapes as SVHS (by drilling the hole) yielded great results when recording in SP SVHS mode on my machines. This was long before ET.

Why is the tape same as the svhs epcept it doesn't have the holes on the casing?

It isn't the full quality S-VHS tape but is good enough to work with the higher FM frequencies used in S-VHS mode. Premium VHS tape runs around $3 where true S-VHS tape is $7-9 per 120 min cassette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-VHS

[vhelp]

Evening CCEncoder,

I looked and there was all sort of brands and specifications so I'm curious about which one would be the best to get so I need your advice. I'm want to record on a "Sony SLV-R1000" and I would like to get the best possible quality out of it when I'm recording to the tape from either cable UHF connection or composite-svideo inputs.

I haven't seen any Sony SLV-R1000 demonstrations -- no pics/images
made by this unit, unless I missed them in other discussions.

Can you post some pics of your unit so we can get an idea of what
it's quality capabilities are by runing some demonstrations of a
few sources that you are trying to record to tape -- post some images ??

It would also help if you describe what the source is that you want
to record to vhs tape, and the units optimum setting as well.

It might also help it someone with the same model could add to the
demonstartion *their* trials with their unit, and post the images,
as this could help gauge what to expect (or not) in terms of quality,
etc.

The pics (images) I posted above in my last response are based on Analog
Cable receiption and this source PSNR (quality level) does evidense SnP
(or, salt n pepper) noise - though its normal for this source type. You
did say that you will be recording UHF video sources, which in my experience
has this same (or similar levels of) SnP noise.

-vhelp 4157

[davideck]

Identifying TDK EHG VHS tapes as SVHS (by drilling the hole) yielded great results when recording in SP SVHS mode on my machines. This was long before ET.

Why is the tape same as the svhs epcept it doesn't have the holes on the casing?

It isn't the full quality S-VHS tape but is good enough to work with the higher FM frequencies used in S-VHS mode. Premium VHS tape runs around $3 where true S-VHS tape is $7-9 per 120 min cassette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-VHS

Something is different in the tape formulation. SVHS recordings in EP mode suffer from a high dropout rate with EHG, particularly during picture search.

[edDV]

Evening CCEncoder,

I looked and there was all sort of brands and specifications so I'm curious about which one would be the best to get so I need your advice. I'm want to record on a "Sony SLV-R1000" and I would like to get the best possible quality out of it when I'm recording to the tape from either cable UHF connection or composite-svideo inputs.

I haven't seen any Sony SLV-R1000 demonstrations -- no pics/images
made by this unit, unless I missed them in other discussions.

Can you post some pics of your unit so we can get an idea of what
it's quality capabilities are by runing some demonstrations of a
few sources that you are trying to record to tape -- post some images ??

It would also help if you describe what the source is that you want
to record to vhs tape, and the units optimum setting as well.

It might also help it someone with the same model could add to the
demonstartion *their* trials with their unit, and post the images,
as this could help gauge what to expect (or not) in terms of quality,
etc.

The pics (images) I posted above in my last response are based on Analog
Cable receiption and this source PSNR (quality level) does evidense SnP
(or, salt n pepper) noise - though its normal for this source type. You
did say that you will be recording UHF video sources, which in my experience
has this same (or similar levels of) SnP noise.

-vhelp 4157

I have one but it is currently wired into the living room A/V system. I have a JVC up here. The SLV-R1000 was Sony's first S-VHS. It sold for ~$1000 in the early 90's as a premium home theater component. It has a flying erase head and line TBC/DNR. It seemed to have a somewhat soft look vs. my other NEC and JVC S-VHS decks but was very good for normal VHS playback due to the TBC and noise reduction.

[mairambija]

visit SPAM and transfer your home video tapes to dvd. You can get a pretty good conversion at a reasonable price from a lot of places. But what are most of these companies lacking? Care and attention to detail! Other ways you get totally amateurish product done with domestic equipment.