Annoying Capturing Issue

[giladvalkor]

Okay, I set everything up to start my capture. I turn all my running programs off. Including my virus programs. I even disconnect my computer from my DSL modem. Here is the problem.

I start my VCR up and then click capture on my computer. When the video is playing back on my TV and on my computer during the capture, it is fine. There is no video flickering or distortion in the music what so ever. So there is no BAD playback. During the capture, the video plays perfectly on my computer. Okay so after I click stop and turn everything off I then try to play the video file back that I captured. Well the video is flickering. The people in the video double up and flicker on occasion. Also the music in the video slows down and sounds like it's being played in slow motion. It doesn't do it constantly. It will stop and then start up again in different parts of the video.

Why is this happening? Like I said. It plays perfectly on my computer when I am capturing it. It only does this with the file after I have captured it.

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[jameshgross]

Gee, it would be nice to have just a little more information. Like what are you using to capture with?

[Nelson37]

There may be some defect in the magic funnel that transports the video into the PC. What make and model of magic funnel are you using?

[giladvalkor]

I am using Roxio Easy Media Creator 9 to capture with. It worked fine with my old VCR...but now I'm using my new VCR with and S-Video out. JVC SR-V101US

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[Nelson37]

You have software that actually sucks the video out of the VCR with NO HARDWARE CONNECTION NECESSARY??? Fantastic. I'll have to look into that.

You are the first I have seen to mention that software for capture on this forum, and that covers a period of several years. There are people here using just about everything that works well consistently. Nobody using what you use. That is a strong indicator of suckage.

Probable answer is a TBC, but then what would you connect it to on the PC input side?

[giladvalkor]

The new VCR I have..has a built in TBC...!

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[giladvalkor]

Okay...so what program would you guys suggest me use to capture video with. I only want to capture in DV/AVI.

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[JohnnyMalaria]

How do you currently connect the S-video signal from your new VCR to your computer?

[giladvalkor]

I have a capture card with a firewire port...connected to a box with audio/video composite connections and a S-video jack. I have the audio and S-video cords hooked into the box....and the box is connected to the Firewire port on my computers capture card. They are coming out of my VCR and into the box, then into the computer through firewire.

The box came with my capture card......it's just a way of connecting my VCR to the computer!

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[Nelson37]

You are almost certainly incorrect about the box and what function it performs.

For the last time - WHAT IS THE FREAKING BRAND NAME AND MODEL ON THE HARDWARE YOU ARE USING TO CAPTURE???

The box is an analog to DV converter. This does not happen on the firewire card. The card came with the box as an accessory, not the other way around.

To advise on what software and how to solve your problem, it is necessary for YOU to identify the hardware you are using to capture. One more failure to do so, after REPEATED requests for this necessary, basic information, and I along with many others will simply write you off as an ignorant boob unwilling to get off his or her fat ass to read a frigging label so as to assist in solving their own problem, and waste no more time on you other than to check for further amusement value.

[JohnnyMalaria]

Until now, what software have you used to capture the video?

What make/model is your capture card?

[edDV]

giladvalkor,

Unless you have failed to catch the drift, the hardware path is important as is the software used for capture.

Detail on every connection and setting is important.

[giladvalkor]

Okay, the capture card I have, I ordered pre-installed on my system. I have a Dell computer. I don't know the model # of the Capture card AND IT'S NOT WRITTEN ON A LABEL ANYWHERE...I'VE LOOKED BACK AND FRONT AND ALL AROUND!!! I do know it's a Emuse capture card. I got it in 2004 if that helps!
I was using Dell Movie Studio to capture my video. I have already tried changing back to that with my new VCR but it still does the same thing.
I was looking up info on the net somewhere and I found something saying that some of the Emuse capture cards are not compatible with some VCR's. I don't know if thats just random nonsense or not.
I will probably be getting a new capture card in the future, but it would be nice to get this one working with my new VCR in the mean time!

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[edDV]

Okay, the capture card I have, I ordered pre-installed on my system. I have a Dell computer. I don't know the model # of the Capture card AND IT'S NOT WRITTEN ON A LABEL ANYWHERE...I'VE LOOKED BACK AND FRONT AND ALL AROUND!!! I do know it's a Emuse capture card. I got it in 2004 if that helps!
I was using Dell Movie Studio to capture my video. I have already tried changing back to that with my new VCR but it still does the same thing.
I was looking up info on the net somewhere and I found something saying that some of the Emuse capture cards are not compatible with some VCR's. I don't know if thats just random nonsense or not.
I will probably be getting a new capture card in the future, but it would be nice to get this one working with my new VCR in the mean time!

Joel

peace and safe journey!

Your frustration over your "peace and safe journey!" is due to your own actions.

You have no right to interupt our peace and daily chainline big rocks to little rocks unless you come down from the trance and do your homework first.


PS: In other words, you have given us nothing to work with.

[JohnnyMalaria]

Does this seem familiar?

http://support2.jp.dell.com/docs/video/dazzle/hw/en/intro.htm

[giladvalkor]

peace and safe journey! is my sign off on EVERYTHING I write. No matter where it's at. It's been my sign off for as long as I can remember! It's my way of wishing everyone well.

Understand the person before you make judgement!!! YOU HAVE NOT RIGHT!!!
So lets not have a Flame war. That's not what I am here for and I never participate in them. They are pointless!

However you are right. I do need to do a little homework on EXACTLY the kind of capture card I have. I know it's a Emuse but that's it for now. I will be trying to find out the model. Thanks for you time!

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[JohnnyMalaria]

Is this your breakout box?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Movie-Studio-Break-out-Box-Dimension-BOB-2X093-AGP_W0QQitemZ8...QQcmdZViewItem

[giladvalkor]

Yes, that's it! Sorry, still trying to find the model of my capture card!!! But that is the box that came with it.

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[JohnnyMalaria]

Good

That means you probably have the Dazzle Mojave - a custom version of the Dazzle system desgined exclusively for Dell.

I'm not sure if the PCI card converts the analog video to DV or not.

I think the PCI card has two Firewire ports. If that is true, you wont need to update this if you want to get a new analog-to-DV converter.

Do you have a MiniDV camcorder? If so, you could use this to convert the VCR output - depending on the camcorder model.

[JohnnyMalaria]

Maybe this is what you have:

http://www.lumanate.com/Downloads/Docs/Atlantis-I%20PCI%20Brief_112602.pdf

This is the Emuzed (not Emuse) Atlantis PCI card and is definitely something Dell have supplied.

Can you confirm? (Note, the breakout box shown in the manual may not look exactly the same).

EDIT: According to the manual:

Analog Video

The device has 1 set of video inputs and also 1 set of video outputs. Under SW control, the user can select either:

• Composite Video input/output
• S-Video input/output

The device also supports the pass through mode from video input to video output for real-time preview during the capture mode.

The device supports YUV422 video format (UYVY) for capture and playback at full D1 and ¼ D1
resolution. The following video sizes are supported:

• 720 x 480 and 352 x 240 for NTSC
• 720 x 576 and 352 x 288 for PAL & SECAM


Note the statement in red. I think you are capturing analog video, probably to uncompressed D1 format. The feature (in red) would explain why capturing looks smooth. However, playback will be terrible if you have captured uncompressed.

The manual suggests that analog capture is not converted to DV.

Can you confirm the capture settings you use in your software?

(I think we're getting somewhere!)

[giladvalkor]

Yes the one above is what I have.

THE " This is the Emuzed (not Emuse) Atlantis PCI card and is definitely something Dell have supplied."

I checked out the link and it all looks the same.

I capture in 720 x 480 and 352 x 240 for NTSC
From the settings I select DV. The program I use (Roxio Easy Media Creator 9) doesn't give me a choice between DV Compressed or DV Uncompressed. It just simply says DV.
I usually capture a 2 hour video which is typically around 25 gb. In DV at 720 x 480

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[JohnnyMalaria]

I capture in 720 x 480 and 352 x 240 for NTSC

I assume you only capture at 720 x 480. I don't understand where the 352 x 240 comes in (if you are capturing to DV).

From the settings I select DV. The program I use (Roxio Easy Media Creator 9) doesn't give me a choice between DV Compressed or DV Uncompressed.

I'm not certain but I *think* the DV compression is performed by software. i.e., the card captures from the analog source and the computer converts it to DV.

It just simply says DV.
I usually capture a 2 hour video which is typically around 25 gb. In DV at 720 x 480

Well, the size makes sense for DV.

Some things to look into:

1. Playback a large file (on the computer) and make a note of when the 'flickering' etc occurs. Does it happen a fixed intervals? e.g., every x seconds Or does it seem random?

2. Playback the same file again. Do the flickering problems occur at the same points? If so, it suggests the problem is with the captured file rather than a playback problem.

3. Do you or a friend have a MiniDV camcorder? If so, try capturing something from the camcorder (you will need a 4-pin to 6-pin Firewire cable). This will be a direct transfer of the already DV-compressed video. If video captured this way plays okay after capturing, it will suggest the software DV compression used for your analog source cannot keep up during capture.

[giladvalkor]

Well After I have captured the file I play back the saved file. The flickering and jittering are random, They happen in different parts of the video. There are no set points or set times in which it happens. If I play back the same saved file again, the flickering is in the same positions. It's like it was captured and saved like that.
Okay so I capture the same entire video again. The file is saved as usual...I play it back and the flickering still happens, but not always in the same spots or times as the other was. So no matter how many times I capture the video it flickers....but not always in the same positions.
I pretty sure it's not a playback issue, because I have other videos that I have done in the past and they play fine. I also have some music videos on my PC and they play fine.
I keep thinking it might be the program (roxio easy media creator) I am using to capture the video. Or maybe the capture card is not compatible with my New VCR (JVC SR-V101US). Because it worked fine with my old VCR. But my old vcr was a low quality VCR with no S-video, TBC or anything else special. I love this new VCR, so not using it, is not and option. It increases the quality of my old tapes tremendously. I don't know, but I will figure it out. I'm planning to buy a new capture card soon anyway! (any good ones you recommend)

No I don't have a miniDV camcorder.

Joel

peace and safe journey!

[JohnnyMalaria]

Because it worked fine with my old VCR. But my old vcr was a low quality VCR with no S-video, TBC or anything else special

Do you still have the old VCR? If so, try capturing from it now and see if the problem is still there. Also try the composite output from your new VCR.