vhs - monochrome

[The_Doman]

update

just captured from dvd via s-video (chroma pins removed) to PCI card (RCA socket) and got brilliant monochrome

since i tried this experiment plugging the dvd into a pre- s-video vcr, and was not able to get monochrome, i presume this black&white effect is only possible when both source and capture equipment are s-video capable?

Again, the S-Video signal is splitted up in a Luminace signal (just a B/W video signal) and a chrominance signal (the colour information).

To get your desired effect you need a composite and S-Video connection:

Connecting the luminance pins of a S-Video source to a composite input results in B/W picture.
Connecting a composite source to the luminance pins of a S-Video input results in B/W picture.

If you have ONLY composite available you need electronics to split the signal in colour and b/w.

But really, why all this trouble?

[kr236rk]

hi,

To get your desired effect you need a composite and S-Video connection

i've got this - in tandem with a jack-to-jack rca cable -

http://www.lg-internet.com/catalog/images/S%20Vidoe%203%20inch%20to%20Composite%20out.jpg

it works brilliantly from my dvd s-video 'out' to my PCI card RCA/composite 'in' - sharp crisp black'n'white

but do i need two s-vhs vcr's, to turn a colour vhs video into black'n'white?

But really, why all this trouble?

fair question - it is for a mixed media project: dv+vhs+ciné, i don't want each medium in colour all the time

bests -

[The_Doman]

hi,
it works brilliantly from my dvd s-video 'out' to my PCI card RCA/composite 'in' - sharp crisp black'n'white

but do i need two s-vhs vcr's, to turn a colour vhs video into black'n'white?

But really, why all this trouble?

fair question - it is for a mixed media project: dv+vhs+ciné, i don't want each medium in colour all the time

As said:
To get your desired effect you need a composite and S-Video connection:
Connecting the luminance pins of a S-Video source to a composite input results in B/W picture.
Connecting a composite source to the luminance pins of a S-Video input results in B/W picture.

Or with a S-Video source connected to a S-Video input with only the luminance pins connected will also result in a B/W picture.

So you need ONE S-Video source or input.

You mention DV, maybe you have a DV camcorder with analog (S)-Video in?
You could use that maybe?
Better still if you captured it to DV you could easily make it B/W on the PC?
Just some thoughts here....
Also because dubbing with VHS will degrade the picture enormously....

[kr236rk]

you need ONE S-Video source or input.

You mention DV, maybe you have a DV camcorder with analog (S)-Video in?
You could use that maybe?
Better still if you captured it to DV you could easily make it B/W on the PC?
Just some thoughts here....
Also because dubbing with VHS will degrade the picture enormously....

my dv cam has an av-in which gives me an rca connection - so i can hook it up to an s-video adapter, in theory; but i need to use analogue video cassettes in the project. converting colour to b/w on pc software was always an option, if all else failed, but it looks as if i'm going to get there using analogue media? quite interested to see this image degradation? the project is an experiment, so i'm open to the unexpected! lol

thanks Doman -

[The_Doman]

my dv cam has an av-in which gives me an rca connection - so i can hook it up to an s-video adapter, in theory; but i need to use analogue video cassettes in the project.

Are you SURE your DV camcorder (which one is it?) has no S-Video input/output?
I believe almost ALL DV camcorders have that feature (S-video out at least), possible you need to have a special lead to use it.

So what is this, a special ART project you have to accomplish with only the use of analoge video??
Intresting it is, I must say.....

[kr236rk]

Are you SURE your DV camcorder (which one is it?) has no S-Video input/output?
I believe almost ALL DV camcorders have that feature (S-video out at least), possible you need to have a special lead to use it.

well, i'm not that sure of anything, basically :0 but the cam has three sockets - av, dv & usb - i use the dv for Firewire, the av is a socket for a single jack plug; i don't really use the mini usb port at all. it's a budget Canon MV830i - i am really pleased with it, having seen an earlier version (700 series) which looked almost exactly the same as mine but with only ONE socket [] the av

if i hooked up the Canon to a vcr, could i use it as a vcr cam?

So what is this, a special ART project you have to accomplish with only the use of analoge video??
Intresting it is, I must say.....

i'm a camera enthusiast, for one thing - also stills - then i got into 8mm ciné - and the inevitable ciné-to-dv transfer headache zone. i digress. experimenting with analogue video cassettes got me interested in the qualities of vhs video, although subsiduary to ciné, which is the main interest (photographic emulsion) - so, to cut a long story short, i now find myself juggling vhs, dv + ciné all in one 'short' [film project]. i am gathering media solutions (ugh) and ideas for the project currently. i love the digital age, but have absolutely no intention of 'going digital' as they say. dv is a great tool which i use. i haven't found a niche for computers in my work other than burning to disc - which is a fantastic thing to be able to do! the one creative thing that i want from computers is 'random selection' (unspecified), but i have never seen a software which offers this? yes, it's art!

thanks for your help and interest - contact me off-forum <kr236rk@aol.com> for example of one of my 'shorts' [15 mins]

bests,

[The_Doman]

well, i'm not that sure of anything, basically :0 but the cam has three sockets - av, dv & usb - i use the dv for Firewire, the av is a socket for a single jack plug; i don't really use the mini usb port at all. it's a budget Canon MV830i - i am really pleased with it, having seen an earlier version (700 series) which looked almost exactly the same as mine but with only ONE socket [] the av

if i hooked up the Canon to a vcr, could i use it as a vcr cam?

You are correct, I checked and that camera does NOT have S-video in/out
And yes you can use the analog input of the camcorder to record from your VHS video, if you mean that ...

Simple way would be to record your VHS to the DV camera (or passthrough the analog signal directly) to your pc and use a edit/filter program to make your recordings B/W.

[kr236rk]

yes you can use the analog input of the camcorder to record from your VHS video, if you mean that ...

Simple way would be to record your VHS to the DV camera (or passthrough the analog signal directly) to your pc and use a edit/filter program to make your recordings B/W.

hmm - so many possibilities: i think i will explore the s-vhs/s-video route to monochrome, before exploring dv, though

many thanks!