Will high def hollywood movies be 1:1 on hd and bluray?

[yoda313]

So now that star wars started the craze with Episode 2 and 3 having been recorded in high def, will those versions be in full quality on the next generation dvds???

Will we get the full resolution of the original recording? Just like its a digital transfer now for animation and high def movies to dvd but at the full 1080p specs??

[Baldrick]

Both bluray and hddvd supports 1080p 24fps.

Fantastic Four bluray 1080p release:
http://media.gear.ign.com/articles/679/679365/img_3301862.html
(check at the bottom left on the cover)

but you never know with george lucas....he probably wants to add some extra super special effects when he releases them again...

[ROF]

but you never know with george lucas....he probably wants to add some extra super special effects when he releases them again...

Rumour has it that Darth Vader is Han Solos father.

[yoda313]

Both bluray and hddvd supports 1080p 24fps.

Thanks

[dvdguy4]

Rick McCallumn said that Lucas will probably go back to them during the release of all the movies for the 30th anniversary of A New hope. Ever since the special edition came out hes fooled around with them so why stop I guess. Thats if he only releases the 3D versions of them instead.
I hope I didnt change the subject. Sorry

[ROF]

Will either format support 1080i?

[adam]

I'm sure our HD-DVDs/Blu-rays of the prequels will be more or less the same quality as the masters, but that's really not saying all that much. HD is actually much lower in resolution than the effective resolution of 35mm which virtually all other films are shot at. The scanning process and quality will play a huge role in the HD quality we get from 35mm prints, but generally speaking, the Prequels will probably look noticably worse than most of the other HD releases including the original trilogy. The difference will be much more noticable in HD, whereas on current DVDs its so compressed all to hell that it doesn't matter. But just sitting in the theatre you can really tell (I could) that the Prequels were not as high quality as standard 35mm.

The cameras changed throughout shooting of the prequels but the best one, used on Ep. III, had just under 2,000 lines of vertical resolution. 35mm is closer to 6,000! (There's no exact number cause its analogue but this is close.)

[Steve Stepoway]

The cameras changed throughout shooting of the prequels but the best one, used on Ep. III, had just under 2,000 lines of vertical resolution. 35mm is closer to 6,000! (There's no exact number cause its analogue but this is close.)

There's no exact number for "35mm" because there are many 35mm formats: 3 perf, 4 perf, Academy, Vistavision ... Digital cinema used in post processing is digitized at either 2k or 4k lines, with a minimum of 16 bits per RGBa (and sometimes 32 bits). Neither bluray nor hddvd will approach this. But you're not blowing bluray/hddvd up to a 65 foot screen, either.

Of course, garbage-in/garbage-out always applies.

[whitejremiah]

reguarding the prequels...i dunno, maybe it's just me, but i did notice a bit more "grain" in the earlier movies...maybe my eyes are just particularly sensitive to this? i dunno......as for blu ray, im not horribly excited about it, and its gonna take me a LONG time to convert over....HDTV's are still pretty expensive, and if the prices i heard are anywhere NEAR accurate for the first sets of blu ray discs (55 dollars!?!?!?!) i'm gonna have to be passing...oh yea, and they will only be using mpeg 2 when they have a much better codec available to them...but for some god forsaken reason, they refuse to use it.....

[FulciLives]

I didn't realize that 1080p would be possible with HD DVD and Blue-Ray. I just found this out a few days ago.

I just bought a 51" 16x9 TV that is capable of 1080i ... not 1080p

Now I'm thinking I should have waited.

Although I wonder how big a difference there is between 1080p and 1080p "scaled down" to 1080i

My guess is not much?

Anyways I guess by the time HD DVD or Blue Ray is truely "affordable" it will be 5 years from now and time for a new TV anyways. Then I can load up on discs at $20.00 or less ... discs that will sell now for $55 LOL

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[yoda313]

But just sitting in the theatre you can really tell (I could) that the Prequels were not as high quality as standard 35mm.

I saw both 2 and 3 on digital screens and couldn't believe the impressive quality. Are you referring to the digital to reel transfer they used on 2 and 3 since they were originally shot on digital?

[adam]

@Steve: I concur but I don't see how that's relevant. I'm comparing HD formats to film, not film to film, and I'm measuring resolution in digital lines of resolution and just noting the caveat that there is no direct equivalent between the resolution of HD and 35mm (any format) but that 35mm (any format) far surpasses HD in quality as you agree.

Good point about not having to blow up the display to a theatre sized screen, but we will be sitting far closer as well. I don't expect 35mm->HD transfers to blow away those films shot in HD and transferred to HD-DVD/Blu-ray, but I wouldn't be suprised if I did see a difference either.

@Yoda: I'm simply saying that the film didn't appear as high quality to me as most others do. I caught it on opening week and in a good theatre so the print shoulda still been in good condition. I think the limiting factor is just the format it was shot in, not the method of transfer. HD and the current HD cameras simply have a long way to go to match the quailty of 35mm.

[edDV]

So now that star wars started the craze with Episode 2 and 3 having been recorded in high def, will those versions be in full quality on the next generation dvds???

Will we get the full resolution of the original recording? Just like its a digital transfer now for animation and high def movies to dvd but at the full 1080p specs??

Huh?

Star Wars III was composited with HD 1080P/24 (1920x1080) elements into a 4kx2K CGI frame. No single HD element was shown at full frame. The "native resolution" was then 4kx2k.

So the answer to your question is no. The 4kx2k master will be either downscaled from 4kx2k to 1920x1080 or more likely, it will be re-rendered for 1080p/24.

[yoda313]

To adam and eddv - thanks for the clarifications

[Wile_E]

I saw Episode 2 in a brand new cinema and was unimpressed with the quality on the big screen. The overall condition of the film looked brand new, but some things looked too blurred/smoothed. Looked like they ran a 3D denoiser over the whole frame. It wasn't the focus either as I also saw it in another theater and it looked the same. Whatever resolution was used for filming/compositing EP2, was not good enough for big screen. At least not to my tastes. But I never did like to watch movies in theaters anyway. 24fps is just too slow and I always notice jerking/tearing when the camera pans left to right too fast. It just doesn't look good or "real".

I really wish the industry would embrace a 48fps standard like Maxivision48. It takes only 50% more film, and current projectors can be retrofitted to play regular 24fps and 48fps. Unfortunately you won't find one cinematographer that supports it, because they all want "film/dreamy" look, not "video/reality/smooth motion". It's ashame...fast action scenes in most movies could benefit from the faster framerate. I also wish HDTV supported faster framerates at 720p and 1080i/p