SATA vs EIDE

[winifreid]

I might upgrade my 'puter and want to know if there is much of a speed advantage with SATA. I am looking at the Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822135106). I currently have the ide version of this drive. Is the sata version much faster for video capture and can I have other HDs that are IDE at the same time? Is there a problem with transferring from one to the other? Finally, I use Win 2000 and wonder if the disk will come with software to clone my current disk?

Thanks

[waheed]

The majority of the experiences from people in this forum will tell you that there is no noticable difference between SATA and IDE.

You would only notice a difference with 10,000 RPM SATA Hard Drives.

And to answer your other question, yes you can use both SATA and IDE at the same time.

[VCDHunter]

I've just got a SATA drive and I can't tell any difference, those tiny cables are sweet mind.

[waheed]

I've just got a SATA drive and I can't tell any difference, those tiny cables are sweet mind.

Yes, I forgot about the tiny cables. They are really neat and mean less clutter inside your PC, more room for airflow.

[winifreid]

Finally, I use Win 2000 and wonder if the disk will come with software to clone my current disk?

Any info on this?
I could use xxclone, if the disk does not come with cloning software. Thanks for the info on SATA. I think the drives cost about the same, so I might just get the SATA. Any reason not to?

[studtrooper]

Nope. But be wary on cloning software. Make 100% sure that it supports SATA or you're screwed...

[rallynavvie]

One thing to beware of with those tiny cables is the tendency to break the connector clean off the drive itself if you bump it too hard. If the connector sticks out more than you think it proper then pick up some right angle connector adapters to keep them safe.

Other than the new SATA II and the 10k drives there isn't any difference between same-speed SATA and PATA drives. In fact I'm doubtful SATA II is quite up to its claimed throughput anyway.

[RabidDog]

YOu do have to have a SatA compatible motherboard tho and I suspect yours isnt.... or get a sata to pata adapter.. which lowers the xfr speed to pata(eide) std. To the Os it doesnt matter how your drives are connected.. but some clone progs use DOS, check wheter yours supports SATA drives.

[studtrooper]

In fact I'm doubtful SATA II is quite up to its claimed throughput anyway.

ROFL. WD's 10,000RPM Raptors can't even half sustain a SATA-I pipe (150MBps). You think NCQ will help 7200RPM SATA-II drives fill a 300MBps pipe? This is getting rediculas, why have such humongous possible throughput if we have absolutely no way of fully utilizing it with the current HDD technology...

[winifreid]

I looked at the WD site and it appears that their software will clone any OS. It is too bad that the reality of SATA did not live up to it's hype.

[winifreid]

I plan on upgrading the whole computer, so I will get a new MB. But you are correct in that my current one does not support SATA.

[rallynavvie]

This is getting ridiculous, why have such humongous possible throughput if we have absolutely no way of fully utilizing it with the current HDD technology...

You seriously can't think of the reason? Why has AMD been selling A64s for years when just recently a Windows OS can incorporate them, and not fully at that. Why is it we've got people putting 2GB+ of memory in their computer that they use for gaming and internet when that much memory will actually slow down the computer's performance? Why were folks so up in arms about making sure they had 8x AGP boards, and now PCI-E boards, when current graphics cards are barely utilizing half that much bandwidth?

It's all about marketing. Say something and get a few sites to say good things about it (mostly because they probably feel special for just being given something new) and suddenly everyone's grabbing at them. Best just to wait and see if the tech actually does what it says when normal, skeptical folk start buying them. Take for instance Super ISA

[normcar]

I would suggest you get an ASUS motherboard. They are always the highest rated MBs.

I looked into SATA II, and as stand-alone drives, they give no significant boost in speed. Only RAID 0 gets a big speed boost.

Get good dual channel memory like Corsair. You only need 1GB unless you use a memory hogging app.

[winifreid]

I am a more cost concious guy, than a top of the liner. I had planned on getting this MB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813152040
and this RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820141168
becasue it seemed a good deal for the price. It isn't dual channel.
I don't do any gaming, just encoding and some editing. My current setup is fine, but my father needs a new computer, so I will give him mine and buid a new one one for under $200.
Thanks

[normcar]

I would suggest Kingston value memory. Bestbuy usually has a sale every 2-3 weeks on the PC3200 kingston value memory. This brand is a good price without the high price. PC3200 will give you a performance boost without much increase in price.

I purchase locally so I can return bad memory modules. The following will explain how to do a memcheck.

http://www.mrbass.org/dvdnewbie/

I don't like the via chipsets, but I would do a Google on this motherboard to see if there are any unresolved problems.

[studtrooper]

This is getting ridiculous, why have such humongous possible throughput if we have absolutely no way of fully utilizing it with the current HDD technology...

You seriously can't think of the reason? Why has AMD been selling A64s for years when just recently a Windows OS can incorporate them, and not fully at that. Why is it we've got people putting 2GB+ of memory in their computer that they use for gaming and internet when that much memory will actually slow down the computer's performance? Why were folks so up in arms about making sure they had 8x AGP boards, and now PCI-E boards, when current graphics cards are barely utilizing half that much bandwidth?

It's all about marketing. Say something and get a few sites to say good things about it (mostly because they probably feel special for just being given something new) and suddenly everyone's grabbing at them. Best just to wait and see if the tech actually does what it says when normal, skeptical folk start buying them. Take for instance Super ISA

Excellent points. I guess I'm mad at HDDs because they are the main delimiter in any PC (except already slow-ass ones)

[waheed]

I guess I'm mad at HDDs because they are the main delimiter in any PC (except already slow-ass ones)

If you want a HDD thats really makes a noticable difference, then it would be the 10,000 RPM drives.

[studtrooper]

I had a 74GB 10000RPM in my system and I really didn't notice a difference.

[RabidDog]

Yes some nice raid arrays built on 10000 rpm drives would giet a nice speed boost or how about mirrored discs ...? SATA new discs new cables new motherboard ? pci-e ditto ? 64 bit CPU new motherboard new OS new apps .... I think you get the picture

[rallynavvie]

I guess I can't really tell if I'm getting any better performance from my 10k drive because I put it in a new computer and never really had anything else in there. It could just be the new computer was making things run a lot faster which is certainly at least part of the reason. However when I put 15k SCSI drives in the old workstation when turning it into an HTPC I noticed marked increases in load times, search times, etc. But then the rotational speed is twice that of standard drives so it should be more apparent there. I think the 10k drives probably do help since having an OS on a faster-accessing drive (not really one with high bandwidth) should make things a little faster.

[redwudz]

winifreid, I have two of those Chaintech MB's using AMD Sempron 2200 CPU's and they perform well. I would go for some better memory, though. Maybe Crucial value select brand. It's fairly cheap with a lifetime guarantee. I run both overclocked with the bus speed at 400Mhz with DDR400 memory. I would recommend one stick of DDR400 512MB memory. Should be enough for what you are doing.