dvd-r versus dvd+r

[Blkout]

All I ask, is that click the little post icon, and read a couple of the posts I've made since 2001.

Media is something I do know a whole lot about.

Once again, you are not reading the whole post. I began with, It is left up to a quality burner ..... , and ended with On my NECs.....

A person with 1/4 a brain can understand that. The truth of the matter is that Verbatim is now shit compared to what it once was. Even in the CD department. The CDs no longer carry MCC, but CMC instead. Even the pastels (which were once Taiyo Yuden) are not so any more.

You should really do some research before posting. Burning CDs for a couple of years isn't that long. You have missed a bit of history. I began burning CDs in 1995, and DVDs in early 2001. Does this qualify myself to know more? Not really, but it does edge the experience factor. As it does for many of the other forum members who have been at this hobby for just as many years, and much longer.

So let me get this straight, using a CD writer for the last 5-6 years and a DVD writer for the last 2 years doesn't not qualify me as knowing what the Hell I'm talking about according to you. And since I've been burning CD's and DVD's in my "limited experience", Verabatim media has always been reliable, that means that at some point they were garbage but not during the time I used them, correct? So are we going back to 1995 when they were poor discs? Does it really matter as long as they are fine today? How much better can a disc be when it burns flawlessly and keeps its data year after year? I thought that was the goal.

You don't make any sense at all, you simply want to come off as someone who thinks they know more than others, you're one of those people who get off on trying to make yourself look more intelligent by saying things that aren't true but others can't really prove other than their own personal experiences. Sorry, but you don't sound intelligent to me when you tell me that Verbatim discs are no better than Optodisc when I've burned well over 300 DVD's in the last year and half and almost 3/4 of those Optodiscs now struggle to play or don't play at all but all my Verbatim media work just fine. Same writer was used to burn them too so you can rule out a change in the quality of the writer. Writer used was a Pioneer A05, not some el cheapo writer.

[FulciLives]

I must say that on my time here at this website that disturbed1 has shown that he knows what he is talking about.

Although my registration date is May 10, 2003 I was a "lurker" or "reader only" for a good 2 to 3 years prior to that.

My point is I've been here long enough to have read enough posts by disturbed1 to know that he does indeed know what he is saying.

If anyone is being annoying it is Blkout

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Capmaster]

so, cap,

do you like red apples or green apples?

Yes. I like apples

[disturbed1]

So anyways................. (thanks FulciLives )

Back to the DVD-R versus DVD+R

Last year, I would of said, hands down DVD-R. No way, no how is DVD+R worth anything.

But now, as long as you can bit set, DVD+R isn't a bad option. I still do perfer, use, and advocate DVD-R. And I swear it has nothing to do with me owning 4 Panasonic LF-D311s (DVD-R/RAM), Pioneer A03 (DVD-R/RW) 4 Pioneer A05 (DVD-R/RW) 3 Toshiba SD-R5112 (DVD-R/RW) NEC 2500 (DVD+/-RW) 4 NEC 3500 (DVD+/-RW)

The 2 things that piss me off about the DVD Forum, is their turn around time on new specs. The DVD Forum likes to test, test, and test again. Which is great in the long run. When a new spec is released, we can expect media and drives that support this at that time, or in a short couple of weeks, plus it works as expected.

With the RW alliance, they have a brain storm, then all of a sudden the market is flooded with drives that support this new spec, but little to no media anywhere to be found. Or the marketing hype, and user hype is so great that the end product doesn't live upto it's goal.

I would say RW alliance is on the bleeding edge in releasing products, but the DVD Forum usually is already testing the same spec at the same time. They are just a little too carefull and slow. The DVD Forum releases a proven technology, while RW alliance lets consumers beta test, then upgrades as needed.

I know with DVD media, dash R media costs much more to make, due to licensing fees and certification costs, and plus R media is much less to make, and actually easier because of Philip's helping hand, yet, for the longest time plus R media was much more expensive, and just now (this year) they are pretty much equal in cost. This bewilders me, cause if plus R is doing, and selling as well as it is claimed, then the cost should be almost half compared to dash R for consumers.

When -R costs $0.25 each, and +R costs $0.12 each for Taiyo Yuden media, I'll switch to +R, but by that time, I'll be on my 4th blue ray burner.

Just my spin on the situation.

[steve2713]

This might be the dumbest thread ever. They're just frucking blank DVDs, people . This argument is like Ford vs. Chevy - they're both frucking cars, they both go from point A to point B. They both have their advantages, but in the end they both get you where you need to go. I've had slightly better luck with +Rs, it seems, but I use alot of both -R and +R, and they both formats have worked flawlessly in everything I've played them in. I buy whichever burns better in my burners (and is cheaper), which in my case is usually +R media. Quit your bitching and use whatever makes you happy

[Phoebos]

Fulcilives says "I suspect that you have not tried Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs. Try it and be amazed "

I ve burned a lot of "XYZ" DVD-Rs with no problem while some others were thrown in the garbitch. (Same with CDs)
But I m wondering, the succeded ones , are they going to live less than those Taiyo ones? Or what.

I think when once a DVD disc is burned succesfully then it does the same job that a "Rolce Royce" DVD disc does.

[FulciLives]

Fulcilives says "I suspect that you have not tried Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs. Try it and be amazed "

I ve burned a lot of "XYZ" DVD-Rs with no problem while some others were thrown in the garbitch. (Same with CDs)
But I m wondering, the succeded ones , are they going to live less than those Taiyo ones? Or what.

I think when once a DVD disc is burned succesfully then it does the same job that a "Rolce Royce" DVD disc does.

People have found that some "perfect burned" DVD discs have become unreadable with age (sometimes in as little as 6 months).

So I am betting that my Taiyo Yuden and Maxell made in Japan DVD-R discs outlast RITEK or PRODISC or XYZ, etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Blkout]

I must say that on my time here at this website that disturbed1 has shown that he knows what he is talking about.

Although my registration date is May 10, 2003 I was a "lurker" or "reader only" for a good 2 to 3 years prior to that.

My point is I've been here long enough to have read enough posts by disturbed1 to know that he does indeed know what he is saying.

If anyone is being annoying it is Blkout

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Do you think you're little tidbit about me means jack $hit? It doesn't. Just because someone posts something that may not be correct even though you've watched their posts in the past doesn't give them right to continue to post false information just because you approve it.

[bazooka]

I love it when people say that their DVD Player doesn't even play DVD - R discs. That's just pure BS.

Out of the three stand-alones I have, the one in my son's room will not, so it is not bs.

[FulciLives]

@Blkout



That's me on the left and you on the right.

Now go play with your plastic rubber vibrating toy.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Gritz]

Another site that describes the differences between the competing formats is http://www.dvdplusrw.org/ which of course favors the +R. I've used DVD-R since the beginning with a moderate amount of success. Many coasters and many with pixelation at the end. Recently I started getting so many errors that I started using DVD+R .. and so far, no errors and good burns. Now maybe the +R media I received has better quality control -- I don't know, but I'm going to keep using it until I start having problems! Theoretically it's supposed to be better. We'll see.

[DeleriumMDK]

If you use DVD+R you are a baby eating puppy murdering communist.

These threads are repeating arguments I've seen on this forum for so long now and..it never leads anywhere new but man are these fun! Seriously though, use what works for you. The simple fact is that DVD-R IS more compatible without any changes or extra things done while burning a disc, for better compatibility DVD+R needs to be bitset to DVD-ROM, so DVD-R has a SLIGHT advantage here, anyone who argues this is blind. Both media types can co-exist though. Look at the market these days. I haven't seen one company releasing only one type of discs anymore, nearly every shop I go in I see Sony DVD-R and DVD+R, Verbatim DVD-R and DVD+R, Maxell DVD-R and DVD+R and so on.

DVD drives and media prices dropped MUCH quicker than I remembered it happening for CD recordable media and drives. Competition is a good thing, we have more choices. DVD-R..DVD+R...neither of them are a "winner", the consumer is the winner here if you ask me.

[loconess]

so, cap,

do you like red apples or green apples?

Yes. I like apples

you are good (edit good).

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
/ Moderator Flaystus

[bazooka]

(edit good).

No politics

[Faustus]

Please do not discuss Politics on the forum in any way shape or form. It only leads to woe.

[Blkout]

@Blkout



That's me on the left and you on the right.

Now go play with your plastic rubber vibrating toy.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Were you TRYING to be funny? Comedy is just not your bag. Let it go, man.

[jimmalenko]

At the end of the day, the best format is the one that gives YOU the results YOU are happy with.

P.S. + sux