(S)VCD on DVD media

[loudanddeep]

Ok, Yes, I know people have tried this before....but I do not want to author a DVD...(vobs, etc.).

I just want to author a VCD, but instead of physically on a CDR media, I want to put it on a DVDR.

Now, I saw a post where someone said they did this.

I could not find it in searching.

What they did if I recall, is to author the vcd to the hard disk somehow, and then copy the files to the dvdr.

I made a VCD image to disk with nero. then used cdmage to extract the files. I copied the files to a dvdr but it did not work.

Not sure if this really can be done, but supposedly someone did it.

Again, this should be possible, I just want a big vcd.

(no, I dont want to reencode my audio to 48khz and just author dvd....I keep getting audio video sync problems that way.)

suggestions?

dp

[wulf109]

Some DVD players support playing of raw mpg files. I have put SVCD's directly onto DVD-R without any conversion. The DVD players pops up a menu where you select which SVCD you want to play. Burned the DVD-R with Nero in DVD\ISO mode.
You could also use Ifoedit 0.95 to author a DVD,it will correct the headers automatically for correct aspect ratio(no header trick required) and it will accept the 44100 audio(without conversion to 48000).

[loudanddeep]

Thank you for your reply.

I can and have just burned mpgs...
I dont want to do that here, i want a big vcd.

however, you are correct about IFOEDIT.

But there is a problem, I cannot get it to accecpt more than 1 mpg.

(at least I dont know how to do it).

dp

[bamafamily]

Loud and Deep,

Find an answer to the multiple mpg file prob??

Bama

[loudanddeep]

NO....

Well sort of...

I merge them first in tempeg...

But that is a fairly lame solution....if they cannot be merged (like diff file types, bit rates etc.)

any other ideas?

dp

[bamafamily]

If I could find a decent way to convert 44khz ---> 48khz then I would be ok. here is the only thing I have tried:

https://www.videohelp.com/vcddvdr.htm

followed it to the letter as I have a full copy of DVD Movie Factory2
The audio was out of sync by about 2 seconds toward the end of the 45- minute mpg
I am going to try and find other ways to convert the audio to see if I can fix this.

The only other thing that I might be open to is if I could add chapters to a huge 4 episode mpg that I joined using DVtools.

I am going to try both Soundforge and Besweet tnite....

Mark

[crusty]

Couldn't you just import your video and audio into the dvd authoring program and just author it as you would a normal DVD?

[loudanddeep]

Couldn't you just import your video and audio into the dvd authoring program and just author it as you would a normal DVD?

Um, no.

Most of the programs want to convert the audio to 48khz, which is the DVD spec. Usually this involves either; crashes, auidio/video sync issues, or files getting really really huge....oh, and a long time.
(yes, I have a fast system).

I dont want to make a video dvd.

I want to make a VCD video, physically burned onto dvd media.
My video's are vcd compliant, I just want to put more of them on a disk.
(can put about 9 star trek episodes on 1 dvd disc).

Someone had made a post about just authoring the VCD to a large image file (>1gb) and then just taking that image an putting it on a dvd.

I made an VCD image using nero, extracted the files useing CDMage, and then burned the data to a dvd. My player did not recognize it.
I am not sure what I did wrong.

I could not find the post where someone else got this to work.

I am guessing I just had a setting wrong when I copied the files from the image.


peace,

Dave

[puertorican138]

If I could find a decent way to convert 44khz ---> 48khz then I would be ok. here is the only thing I have tried:

Have you tried using VirtualDub to change the sampling rate??? :P

[loudanddeep]

If I could find a decent way to convert 44khz ---> 48khz then I would be ok. here is the only thing I have tried:

Have you tried using VirtualDub to change the sampling rate??? :P

I am using mpg files, and I do not know how well virtual dub works.

I have used tempeg to change sampling, and the other external tool mentioned in the 'how to', and STILL I got sync issues.

I do not want to renecode the audio, this is a hassle, and takes time.
(when you have about 30 450mb files, it takes a while).

IF that worked it might not be so bad, but I would prefer just to author a large VCD onto a physical dvd disk.

peace,

Dave

[drewson99]

vdub is great with mpeg1, give it a shot

[bamafamily]

I will give Vdub a shot...I will report back....I have about 40 Star Trek episodes myself. If I could get it right, I would not mind using Vdub and then archiving about 8-9 per DVD for later use.

For normal captures that I dont care to archive, I just copy the mpeg to a CDRW and plug in my Apex...works great

Mark

ps..can someone give me a quick "How to" for Vdub and audio conversion??

[bamafamily]

Well....I tried Besweet/SSRC/Toolame to try and sync the A/V after demuxing it with TMPGenc. I was still out of sync at the end. (and yes..the original Mpeg1 is in full sync to the end of the show)

I also tried to let Moviefactory2 take the original Mpeg and alter the audio to 48Khz. It took about 15 minutes but still had sync probs.

The only thing it seems I am left with is using something like Soundforge or Cooledit to "stretch/shrink" the audio to match the video.

I saw another post where someone actually change the framerate by a miniscule % to compensate for the audio. I forget which program he used, but I would think that would make the DVD non compliant and not play in a settop player??

any other ideas??
Mark

[puertorican138]

ps..can someone give me a quick "How to" for Vdub and audio conversion??

This VirtualDub audio guide can help you:

https://www.videohelp.com/virtualdubaudio.htm

Hope That Helps!!!

[wway]

I made an VCD image using nero, extracted the files useing CDMage, and then burned the data to a dvd. My player did not recognize it.
I am not sure what I did wrong.

I dont understand. What are you extracting?

If you were trying to make a miniDVD, you would create the DVD image on your harddrive then burn the DVD image to a CD-R. You want to do the opposite. So, you created the VCD image on your harddrive, why not just burn it to a DVD? Using UDF/ISO i think.

I dont have a DVD burner, so maybe i'm confused.

wway

[digitalmaster]

DVD Movie Factory 2 will allow you to put SVCDs on your DVD without a problem. If the file is way off of the standard resolution or audio\video bitrate, it will automatically convert the file for you. There are different encoding settings you can select to save size or increase quality.

[wway]

DVD Movie Factory 2 will allow you to put SVCDs on your DVD without a problem. If the file is way off of the standard resolution or audio\video bitrate, it will automatically convert the file for you. There are different encoding settings you can select to save size or increase quality.

digitalmaster,

What the poster wants to do is burn an oversized VCD/SVCD image to a DVD-R disc. Basically, use the DVD disc as a 4.3 GB CD-R.

Is this correct loudanddeep?

wway

[bamafamily]

I tried DVDMF2
I used the DVD media to start the project
I added about 3 VCD's (44khz)
I changed the settings to read 320x240 res and 1150 CBR for each video. I could not change the audio. When I picked the DVD project to start with, it automatically set the audio freq to 48khz.

I then output it to DVD Folders
It did not try to re-encode the video and actually went pretty quickly
It finished without errors in about 90 seconds (i am thinking I may have it)

I then used PowerDVD4 to open up the resulting DVD - VIDEOTS folder
The audio gradually got out of sync as the VCD went along.

I am almost to the point of selling my Apex 1100W and getting either a 1200 or Mintek 1600 that will play raw mpg VCD's on DVDR media.......

I am currently trying to learn to "stretch" audio using Cool Edit, but that is frustrating too.

The Mpeg is in sync to begin with. I am converting the audio to 48khz. Either the demultiplex or the remultiplex is screwing it up I believe.

Mark

[jrenfro]

I have the same problems with the sync of the video and audio but I am trying to make a DVD. I have an Xvid .avi with AC3 audio and can get them coverted but when I author the DVD and test it, the sound slowly gets out of sync with the video. Please let me know if you find a way to fix this.

[LanEvo7]

I have the same problem as the poster and I still haven't found a solution that I've really liked. The guide listed in dvdrhelp is useless to me because the sound was always out of sync. I found out after a little trial and error that uleadmovie factory has issues with mpeg1 files. No matter what I did the sound would always be out of sync. However if you encode the file in mpeg 2 format, with vcd resolution and 48khz(there isn't much quality loss), ulead would burn the movie just fine. So now I can fit about 8-10 45min episodes onto 1 4.7 gig disc. But that takes reencoding so its a little tedious. I still haven't found a way to use my dvd as a big cdr.

[wulf109]

Useing IFOEDIT 0.95 To Convert SVCD to DVD-R

Ifoedit can convert standard SVCD from it's native 480x480 resolution and 44100 audio sampleing rate without any other programs. Ifoedit apparently makes
no checks for DVD compliance and will automatically correct the headers for proper aspect ratio display and will author directly from the 44100 audio stream
without re-sampleing. This example is for one SVCD but multipile SVCD's could be joined into one large MPEG file,I would recommend DV Tool for the joining.

1.) Copy your SVCD .mpg to your HD.

2.) Demux into elementary .m2v and .mp2 streams. You could use Tmpeg for this.

3.) Rename the .mp2 stream to .mpa

3.) Start Ifoedit 0.95 and select DVD Author,then Author new DVD.

4.) Load the demuxed .m2v file into the video box.

5.) Load the demuxed .mpa file into the audio box.

6.) In the Output Stream Destination navigate to a VIDEO_TS directory on your HD.

7.) Click O.K. and Ifoedit will create the requiered ifo and vob files in your VIDEO_TS directory.

You can then burn to DVD-R with your favorite burning program. It will play in correct aspect ratio and the 44100 audio will play normally.
Most DVD players support Mpeg audio and should have no problem playing 44100 audio.
It's always best to make a test on DVD-RW to be certain your DVD player will support this xDVD.

[bamafamily]

Wulf,

The only time I tried this with one 21 minute VCD, the audio was much worse thatn anyway I had tried up until then.

I do have 2 questions for you...
I have an Apex 1100W that will play VCD's burned on CDR's all day long
It just wont do it on DVDR's.

If I were to look at getting another DVD player, what would you recommend to play raw VCD's on a DVDr??

Have you ever went theough the process of "stretching" audio?? If so, can you give me some tips on to the programs and settings you used???

thx
Mark

[wulf109]

Cyberhome Ch-402

Audio when converted to DVD needs to be at a relatively high bitrate,224 or higher preferred. In my expierence audio 128-160 will sound very tinny on DVD.

[bamafamily]

thx for the tip

I always leave it at 224. Doesnt make any sense to change it since it doesnt take up that much room

M

[vitualis]

I just want to author a VCD, but instead of physically on a CDR media, I want to put it on a DVDR.

... Not sure if this really can be done, but supposedly someone did it.

Again, this should be possible, I just want a big vcd.

No one has done this for a simple reason.

It is impossible.

A DVD disc is not a big CD. They are completely different types of media.

For example, a VCD requires for the disc medium to be able to handle multiple tracks and MODE2 Form2 sectors. DVDs can do neither.

Simply put, you cannot burn "oversized VCD images" onto a DVD disc (i.e., the reverse of a miniDVD is not possible).

You CAN author VCD standard MPEG-1 onto a DVD as a DVD, but this isn't really what the original poster was asking.

Regards.

[SaSi]

No one has done this for a simple reason.

It is impossible.

A DVD disc is not a big CD. They are completely different types of media.

Well, I have... Actually, I am doing this all the time....

I know it is not standard, but given a suitable set-top player, it's actually easy. I have a yamakawa 215 and I am now happier I chose this.

I use this to make quick endodings of divx material to view on the TV. Any kind of MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 streams, recorded on the DVD, are played back on the DVD player. The player brings up a folder-like menu and I select the file I want and play it.

Only word of caution is that MPEG-1 rules must be followed. This means that the video bitrate must be 1150 kbps or lower and the total video and audio bitrate must not exceed 1500kbps.

SVCD is also possible (with 2600kbps max combined bitrate), however the player will not play more than the first Gig. I was frustrated when I burned a 2.5 Gb movie and was only able to view the first 50 or so minutes!

[LanEvo7]

My standalone DVD player(apex 1500) can also play raw mpeg1 and mpeg2. The problem is I can't fast foward or rewind. I have to watch the file from start to end.

[wway]

SaSi, LanEvo7

Playing raw mpeg file on a DVD is NOT what the original poster wanted to do. He wanted to burn a VCD or SVCD image to a DVD.

Until proven otherwise, Vitualis is correct. You can not burn a VCD/SVCD image on a DVD and get it to work.

wway

[bamafamily]

Well...as the original poster stated, there is no "direct" way to make a DVDR act like a large CDR but, I may have simplified the process...At least for myself...see the following:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143706

bama

[curtw]

A DVD disc is not a big CD. They are completely different types of media.

Well, I have... Actually, I am doing this all the time....

I know it is not standard, but given a suitable set-top player, it's actually easy. I have a yamakawa 215 and I am now happier I chose this.

SaSi, I have a Yamakawa 218 (June '02 manufacture date), and this approach won't work on a DVD-RW (I wanted to test it first without "wasting" a -R disc). Have you ever tried it with a -RW disc? Can you guess at whether my failure is due to having the 218 instead of the 215, or because I'm trying to use -RW media?