Members !!! fill this message with DVDr and burn SW for each

[Dr_Vitez]

there are many manufacturer of DVDr like TDK, PRINCO, TRAXDATA.....

For each of it there is best SW for burning

please import your expirience of using diferent burning SW on diferent DVDr s.

Thanx

[garryheather]

It's the firmware in your recorder that dictates HOW the disc is written, not the authoring software (that dictates WHAT is written). If the application sends garbage to the writer, then that's what will get written and some people have had problems with certain software under certain circumstances.

For example, a lot of people post here saying that Nero is a bad choice for authoring DVD-Video, where-as I have used it extensively and had no problems except for the odd brand of media that won't play in my standalone player. It's not the software at fault for that.

Many authoring programs use a multi-function command set for communicating with as many writers as possible. This reduces the amount of upgrade patches the company has to produce in order to maximise the number of compatible recorders and reduce the download sizes etc. Generally speaking, only if a recorder has a new function (like a recording mode tweak) or a revised maximum speed which is not reported by the recorder itself when interrogated will a patch be required. The software should record a disc in the correct format regardless of what media you use.

The recorder is usually based on a sample of that media supplied to the hardware manufacturer. For example, if they find the media is unreliable or does not meet their standards at a high recording speed, they will only certify it in the recorder's firmware at a lower speed.

Don't forget the recorder reads the ATIP off of the media to determine the manufacturer and a product code, and from that it knows what strategy to use and at what speed. If the manufacturer uses a generic stamper to produce the disc but changes the dye, then the ATIP could incorrectly report the a less than optimum recording speed, which you may see as an unreadable disc.

This happens a lot with the cheaper media - and Princo have recently been caught using a TDK ATIP code in order to make their discs record at a higher speed than they are probably up to in any quantity.

Unfortunately many coasters are produced by people not authoring their discs correctly (say through not understanding the software or bending a few rules thinking it wont matter) or cheap media variances and incompatibilties. The vast majority of the software out on the market these days will do exactly what it says on the tin. If it doesn't you complain until you get your money back.

Don't forget to check for firmware updates when using high speed media on the Pioneer drives - they fixed a serious reliabilty issue recently. I have posted the relevant links here before and on doom9.org.

Hope that helps.

[Dr_Vitez]

i am talking about for compatibility of DVDr and each SW
for example
with PRINCO DVDr i have best results with NERO 55917

.. tdk DVDr best with ......
.. traxdata best with ........




this will help people
so you which have best results fill reply with informations

Thanx

[mdm]

There is no such thing as compatibility between software and media! The only compatibility situations are:

Drive/Firmware <> Software
Drive/Firmware <> Media

If the software supports the drive, then it will function properly with any media.

[garryheather]

Since Dr_Vitez unfortunately missed the point of my earlier post, could I please elaborate on MDM's.

MDM is correct in saying that if your burning program supports your drive it will work with any media but there are issues that determine whether or not you THINK it has worked. (some media can be rejected totally, but this is rare).

Lets keep it simple - say you buy a premium £4 metal based audio cassette from say TDK and use it in your £3000 Nakamichi transport. I bet it sounds bloody fantastic. You go to the local market and buy a pack of 4 no-name "made in ROC" for £1.50 and they will still work, but you will probably complain that they sound hissy, have no treble, etc etc etc.

Your DVD player will do the same sort of thing, in that if you use low quality media it may well have trouble reading it. The data IS there - it has been recorded, but just as you can probably hear the difference between cheap tapes and the premium ones - you DVD player can "see" the difference. If it can't read the data, you will have problems.

But that does not imply that there is a media / software discrepancy. That is an old wives tale that should be taken outside and shot right away because it adds to the confusion. You might find in a year or so's time if you upgrade your DVD player that all of a sudden, your DVD-R's don't play any more... are you going to blame the software then ? That is a clear example of media / hardware compatibility. A disc that works great on your Sony deck may not work at all on your neighbour's Philips.

You MUST remember that domestic DVD recording is still in it's infancy. A lot of DVD players were never designed to play DVD-R's, especially the early ones - in fact the DVD-VIDEO specs and the DVD-R specs when recorded to DVD-VIDEO standards are NOT IDENTICAL. If you created a DVD player that strictly played DVD-VIDEO discs, it would NOT play DVD-R's because of the differences in the disc structure and file layout physically on the disc itself. If you want the DVD specs you have to pay something like $5000 for them, and they are guidelines really. The DVD "consortium" is a number of companies (no-one actually "owns" DVD as such) who have all had their take on the standards, hence we have problems. Remember the earlier DVD players that wouldn't play The Matrix ? If the guides cost that much money, what sort of reliability are you expecting with software and hardware that probably cost less than a tenth of that ? Yeah, it should work perfectly. But you try maintaining a quality product while trying to be first to market with the cheapest range and see how much variation you have to put up with.

Please remember that the DVD's you record have error correction on them, which is roughly 10 times greater than that employed on a CD - which is a good job when you consider how much data is on a DVD and the data rates employed. Some defects in the disc will be accounted for by the hardware when it comes to playing it back. But real nasty defects will render a disc unplayable. Say for example the dye used on your DVD-R was too thickly applied or the disc wasn't spun correctly during manufacture so it is not a uniform covering. You might find the beginning plays perfectly, but as the pickup gets nearer the end of the disc the dye gets thicker and hasn't been burnt properly. So the player suffers read errors and the like nearer the end of the film.

If you have media like this, then no authoring software will be able to account for that and burn any better than anything else. Your recorder is doing the best it can with the media you feed it. Don't forget that the batch of media can make a difference too - I've bought media in reasonable quantities before now and had several different batches in that one order. Some of those batches have been inferior, and by looking at the manufacturer's labels you can predict which ones will give you grief after a few burns. If you happen to be changing your authoring program while experimenting with different media / batches then your results will be flawed and inaccurate.

Can I also repeat what I said about manufacturers. Princo discs have used TDK ATIP's - this does not mean they were made by TDK ! There are several manufacturers making discs for different people. You might buy Traxdata today and have a batch sourced from Ritek, but you buy another box from the same store next week and have a batch made by CMC. They will behave slightly differently - fact of life. You see the Traxdata brand each time - your recorder sees a different manufacturer every time and adjusts accordingly.

Just as you probably have a favourite brand of coffee, your combination of hardware will have a favourite media.

Mine ? My A04 burns e-Proformance discs that play perfectly on my Sony DVD player. Vivastar's don't work at all on my standalone or my DVD ROM (the writer reads it but at a reduced speed), MOST Traxdata's give me no problems but some do and the Choice 1x white topped aren't bad but I didn't get on at all well with the 2x. And they were ALL burnt with the same version of Nero. My findings may be different to yours - you can't take one person's recommendation as gospel that their findings will be the same as yours.

I suggest you shop around some of the online retailers who do sample packs of several brands, and then burn the same content onto each disc with the same application, and try to play them in your target hardware. Only then will you be able to have a reasonable chance of identifying compatible media as far as you are concerned.

Until the supplier of the discs you buy changes (or they change their dye formula)...

[Dr_Vitez]

everybody can miss point
anyway THANX on big description

Regards